Learning through Translating: ブラックジャックによろしく Manga

Reading exercises : ブラックジャックによろしく Manga

We are currently at 第5話 / Episode 5

… at page 3

 

This is the Home thread for the reading exercises using the ブラックジャックによろしく (Say hello to BlackJack) manga.
Those are reading comprehension exercise which aims to put the community in charge of the activity.

This thread is not intended for the exercises themselves, but to serve as in Index to easily find (and in the right order) all the text analyzed so far.
As well as information about the manga, its author, and the story so far

Click on the :arrow_forward:︎ to reveal the text.

How can I participate?↓

①Follow the link to go to the currently being analyzed page.
②Choose one of the letters from the posted image of the current page. Claim your letter by posting a reply in the thread there, and put it as the first line in big font (eg: ❝ ## C. ❞ if you took C, that way it is easier for other people to see it, so two people don’t end up doing the same letter).
③Edit your ‘claim reply’ with a vocabulary section where you list the vocabulary words and explain what they they mean.
④Develop your interpretation . This will help people understand and learn from your explanation.
⑤Once you are done, you can edit the Home post of the episode, and add the sentence you have analyzed to the list.

Why this manga?↓

(information to come, about why this specific manga has been chosen)
(also info on the author, links to wikipedia pages, etc)

Some helpful grammar↓

The story so far

 

★Formatting Guidelines and ideas↓

Color Coding

Finally asked and found out how to color code:

\color{red} \text{This is Red}

put a “$” before and after that, with a space in between.

第1話 研修医の夜

Episode 1, the nights of an intern

(links to Episode 1 analysis will be here)

Places and names↓
  • 斉藤 英二郎 (さいとう えいじろう): the main character. He is an idealist who wants to be a doctor to help people as opposed to become rich.
  • 永禄大学: the Eiroku (or Eternal Fortune) university, where Saitou graduates. Abbreviation: 永大.
  • 誠同病院: Seidou hospital, a private hospital where Saitou does part-time job at night.
  • 服部 脩(はっとり おさむ): director of Seidou hospital.
  • 牛田 克雄(うしだ かつお): doctor that works at night at Seidou hospital. He tells Saitou some ugly truths about private hospitals in Japan.
The story so far : page by page↓
p3-5
  • A : 8千人…
    8000 people…
    Banner: 永禄大学医学部卒業式
    Ceremony of graduation of the medicine faculty of the Eiroku University
  • B : 毎年8千人が全国に81ある大学医学部を卒業してゆく
    Every year 8000 people graduate from the 81 medical faculties existing nationwide
  • C : 君達はその8千人のトップの80人である!
    From that 8000, you are the top 80!
  • D : 日本の医療を 背負っていくのは 君達です!!
    You all are carrying Japan’s healthcare system!!
p6-7
  • A : Other doctor: 眠そうだな斉藤…
    You seem somnolent, Saitou
  • B : Saitou: うんさっきまで当直だったから
    Yeah, I was on duty until just now
  • C : きのうの朝からもう24時間以上ここにいるよ
    I have been here more than 24 hours since yesterday morning, you know
    Other doctor: オレも
    me too
  • D : 教授の実験の手伝いでさ…
    I assisted the professor’s experiment…
  • E : 3時間しか寝てねえ
    I only slept 3 hours, you know
  • F : Saitou: じゃあ僕の勝さだ。
    Well, I win then…
  • G : 2時間しか寝てない
    I only slept 2 hours.
p8
  • A : 永禄大学医学部卒業から3ヶ月
    It’s been 3 months since my graduation from Eiroku university (in medical science)
  • B : 僕は今永禄大学附属病院で研修医をしている。
    I am currently doing my medical residency at Eiroku hospital.
  • C : チューッ
    (Sound Katakana of a doctor administering a needle)
  • D & E : Other intern: ホラ斉藤! Look at Saitou!
    注射するのにイチイチそんな顔すんな!
    He always makes such a face when doing and injection!
p9-10
  • A : 研修医というのは要するに見習いだ。
    To put it simply, they say an intern must learn by observation
  • B : 医者になるには大学で6年間医学を学び
    In order to become a doctor, you study medical science at university for 6 years
  • C : 医師国家試験に合格しなければいけない
    and you must pass the National Medical Practitioners Qualifying Examination
  • D & E : ところがその国家試験は医学の知識をみるもので
    実技試験などは含まれていない(!)
    However, that national exam looks at medical knowledge, and doesn’t include things like a practical skill exam!
  • F : そこで 医師免許を 取得した者の 大半は その後2年間 大学病院などで研修をする。
    Most of the people who have gotten their Physician’s License spend the next two years in residency at a place like a university hospital
  • G : Doctor: もっと術野を広げろ斉藤
    Spread the operative field more, Saito
    Saito: はい Yes
  • H : Saitou: 手術の後でうまそうにメシを食べってる自分が嫌いで。
    I dislike the part of me that’s able to enjoy a meal after surgery
  • I : Dekune: なあ、斎藤…
    オレはこのままでは人の心を失くしてしまう。
    I will lose my heart
  • J : Saito: 何言ってんだよ!
    What are you saying?
    日本の医療を支えてるのは僕達なんだぞ!
    We support Japanese Medical Care!
p11-12
  • L : Narrator: 1日平均労働時間16時間
    I work 16 hours a day
    月給なんと…3万8千円ー!!!
    for a monthly salary of 38,000 yen
  • M : 日給ではなく月給である
    There’s no daily wages, it’s monthly salary.
    (“O” & “N” inverted, yes)
  • O : うちの病院の待遇が特別に悪いわけではない
    it doesn’t mean the salary of our hospital is particularly bad
    国立ではもう少し高いらしいが私大病院の研修医の月給は10万円以下の所が約7割を占める
    In the public sector they (wages) seem a bit higher, but approximately 70% of the monthly wages of an intern on a private university still don’t exceeds 100,000 yen
  • N : その給料で寮も食事もないんだから生活できるわけない。
    Whith this salary, there is no dormitory nor food, therefore there’s no way you can live [off it]
  • P & Q : Director: それでは斎藤くん
    Well then, Saitou
    本日は君に当院の当直のアルバイトをお願いする
    Today, you will sart a part time job for being on duty at our hospital
    (Hospital name: 誠同病院, Seidou hospital)
  • R & S : 斉藤英い二郎25歳
    Eijirou Saitou, 25 years old.
    永禄大学医学部卒…….
    Eiroku University Medical School graduate…
    この病院の当直は 初めて……と……
    This hospital’s shift, for the first time…and…
  • T : 永大卒は……エリートって奴だな
    E.U. graduate, elite class
  • U : Saitou: はい。永大の名に恥じぬようがんばります。
    Yes, I’ll do my best not to bring shame on the name E.U.
  • V : Director: 今日は初日という事で特別にもう一人当直がいる。
    Since this evening is going to be your first day, there’ll exceptionally be one extra person on duty
    ここのやり方は彼に訊いてくれ。
    Ask that extra person on how to “do/work”
  • W : Saitou: ではよろしく。
    Thanks for that.
    Narrator: これが研修医の現実だ
    This is the reality of being a physician
p13-14

(“A” has no text)

  • B : Saitou: 初めまして。当直のバイトに やってきました 永大の斉藤です。
    Pleased to meet you. I am Eternal University’s Saitou, I have come for the part-time work duty shift.
  • C & D : あ…あの…、永大から当直に来ました斉藤です…。
    Uh… I’m Saito from Eidai. I came here for the work duty.
  • E : Ushida: 食っとけ 食える時に食っとけ…
    “Eat now! Eat now in the moment you can eat!”
p15-18
  • F & G : Ushida: そして寝とけ。寝れるときに寝とけ。
    And then sleep. Sleep when you can sleep
    (panel: 宿直室, night duty room​)
  • 1 : (panel: 救急用入口, Emergency Entrance)
    (numbers mixed: 4, 5, 2, 3)
  • 4 : Saitou: 誠同病院…ベッド数120…
    Seido hospital… 120 beds…
  • 5 : 地域の中核をになう大規模病院…か
    a large hospital that carries on his shoulder the center of the area
  • 2 : 勤務医は3人…最初の人が院長で、さっきの人が牛田さん。
    Three doctors working at the hospital… The first person is the director, and the person just now is Mr. Ushida.
  • 3 : 今夜は僕と牛田さんの2人きり…
    This evening there is only two people, me and Ushida…
  • 6 : Ushida: 急ぐぞ!こっから先は戦場だ!
    Hurry! it will soon be a battle field!
    Saitou: はい!! Yes!!
  • 7 & 8 : Ambulance crew: 患者は20歳の男性!! 30分程前にバイクで転倒
    The patient is a 20 year male!! He went down on his motorcycle about 30 minutes ago
    左足が折れています!!
    [His] left leg is broken!!
  • 9 : Ushida: 血算、生化と血型を大至急!!
    RBC, chemical scan and blood type, as soon as possible!!
  • 10 : 濃厚赤血球を10パシク取り寄せろ!!
    Order 10 units of packed red blood cells.
  • 11 : 永大出!!
    ラクテック全開ハイドロコーン1000ミリ側管注しろ!!
    EiDai guy! Do a bypass injec’ of lactec, 100ml full open hydro corn!
  • 12 : 遅いぞ!永大出!
    You are slow! Eidai-guy!
    終わったら血液交差適合試験クロスマッチしる。
    When you’re finished, run a blood cross-compatibility test.
p19-23
  • A : Saitou: すいません… sorry
    なんの役にも立てませんでした
    I haven’t been helpful at all
  • B : Ushida: 落ち込んでるヒマなんかねーぞ
    There is no free time to be depressed
  • C : 始まるのは これからだ
    This starts now…
  • D : Saitou: 牛田さん!血圧が下がっています!
    Mister Ushida! Her pressure is falling!
  • E : Ushida: いいからだまって輸血しろ!!
    Ok then, shut up and do a transfusion!
    こんだけ暴れる元気がありゃ大丈夫だよ!!
    She rages to such an extent… Oh! she (her health) will be OK then!
  • F : (on the phone): 事故です!患者は胸を打って、呼吸がうまくできないそうです!
    It’s a car accident! The patient hit his chest and he can’t breath well so he is transferred.
  • G : 60代の男性!交差点で正面衝突、意識不明です!
    60’s year old! frontal collision at an intersection, he is unconscious!
  • H : Saitou: スゴイな……牛田…… (この人)
    Awesome……Ushida (this person)……
  • I : Saitou: この病院はすばらしいです
    This hospital is wonderful
    絶対に救急車の受け入れを拒否しない…
    It’s definite (certain) that it will not refuse ambulances
  • J : Ushida: 素人みてーな事言ってんじゃねーよ… お前…
    Don’t say things an amateur would say… you…
  • K : 医者の診療行為は全部点数制になってる…
    The medical acts of a doctor are all based on a point system…
    カンチョーしたら42点…採血したら12点
    stick a finger up someone’s butt and you get 42 points… draw blood and you get 12 points.
  • L : その点数の合計が医療保険から医者に支払われる
    The total of those points are paid to the doctor by the medical care insurance
    一律一点10円だ
    any point gives 10 yen

And the transcription of the table:
(I’ll put reading and meaning too)

  • 初診料 250点 / しょしんりょう にひゃくごじゅうてん : 初診料 : fee for initial medical examination (初=first time, 診=(medical) examination, 料=fee, charge)
  • 深夜加算 : night supplement; compound of 加算【カ・サン】, added supplement; and 深夜【シン・ヤ】, late at night (深=deep, 夜=evening, night)
  • 超音波検査 = ultrasound examination; from (超音波【チョウ・オン・パ】, ultrasound wave (超=extremely, ultra, 音=sound, 波=wave) and 検査【ケン・サ】, examination, scan.
  • 末梢血液 一般検査 : 一般【イッ・パン】means common, ordinary; so it’s the common examination; 末梢【マッ・ショウ】means peripheral, minor details, and 血液【ケツ・エキ】is a more technical word for blood (血=blood, 液=fluid); so it’s a “peripheral blood common examination”…
  • 血液学的検査 : hematological scan (血液=blood, 学=science, hence 血液学【ケツ・エキ・ガク】= the science of blood, eg: hematology; 的【テキ】is a suffix that makes adjectives out of nouns, so “hematology”+的 -> hematological; and 検査=examination, scan as seen previously
  • 判断料 : 料【リョウ】 is fee and 判断 【ハン・ダン】is judgment, decision… it is the cost of laboratory results interpretation.
  • 合計【ゴウ・ケイ】: total, sum

the sum is 1433 points, that is for 14330 yen.

p24-25
  • 1 : Ushida: ところが交通事故の場合はちょっと違う…
    When it comes to traffic accident however, it’s a little different…
    治療費は医療保険ではなく、自動車損害賠償保険から支払われる
    The medical expenses are covered by the mandatory vehicle insurance and not the health insurance.
  • 2 : "自由診療"って言ってな……
    So called “freedom of consultation”…
    この場合 “ー点単価” 要するに一点の 値段を 医者が勝手に 決められる
    In this case, the “single point unit price” means that the doctor can decide the price of one point
  • 3 : Saitou: … って事はつまり…
    … that thing, in other words …
    交通事故の場合は好きなだけ医療費がとれるって事ですか…?
    In the case of traffic accidents, the medical bill can amount to as much as one wants ?
  • 4 : Ushida: 気づいて いたか……?
    Did you notice……?
    ウチが受け入れて いるのは交通事故の 患者だけだ……
    We are only receiving traffic accident patients……
  • 5 : この病院は交通事故の場合、一点単価は40円
    いまだに普通の4倍もぼったくってる
    At 40 yen a point for traffic accident, this hospital is also overcharging four times as ordinary.
  • 6 : 結局 金なんだよ… 社会奉仕でやってるわけじゃねぇ…
    In the end, it’s all about money, the motive isn’t to serve society.
  • 7 : Narrator: バイト代は8万円だった
    It was 80,000 yen from the part time job.
    たった一晩で研修医としての月給の2倍以上を稼いだ
    In a single night, it gave him twice as much as his monthly salary as an intern.
p26-28
  • 8 : Dekune: きのうも睡眠時間3時間…
    Yesterday as well, I slept for 3 hours.
    この世で一番不健康なのは研修医だな…
    The medical interns are the most unhealty on the world
  • 9 : で……そっちはどうだった? バイト……
    So……How was it? The part time job……?
  • 10 : Saitou: 誰だろう…?
    I wonder… who is?
    Dekune: また 亡くなっちゃったんだな…
    the thing is … again… they die
  • 11 : Saitou: 受けとっちゃっていいのかな… この8万円…
    Taking those 80000yen… Is it really okay?
  • 12 : Dekune: いーんじゃ ねーのー そんだけ働いたんだし
    Um, well, hey… it’s why I work……
  • 13 : Saitou: だけど… こんなお金…
    But that money/however that money.
  • 14 : 僕は汚い大人になんかなりたくない…
    I don’t want to become a corrupted person (adult)/ dirty adult
  • 15 : Dekune: オレさ… 正直言って医者になりたいって思った事ないのよ…
    As far as I’m concerned, I haven’t thought why I wanted to become a doctor.
  • 16 : 受験戦争のエスカレーターに乗ってひたすら上を目指してさ… 気がついたら医者になってた…
    I just rode the exam war escalator, trying my hardest to get to the top… Next thing I knew, I’d become a doctor…
  • 17 : 医者って… 一体なんなんだろうな…
    You said a doctor… What does that even mean…?
p29-31*
p32-37*
p38-44*
  • 1 : 事故です20代の男性
    An accident, 20 years old male…
  • 2 : 外傷・打撲全身に骨折の可能性があります。
    …A car accident, 20 years old male with possibly fractures over the whole body
  • 3 : レベル30呼吸24脈拍120です
    Level 30, breathing at 24 and pulse at 120.
  • 4 : 本部急いで下さい
    Bring him quickly to the hospital.
  • 5 : こっちは』発できる状態です!
    We’re ready to to go.
  • 6 : 受け入れ準備できました‼︎
    We’re ready to receive him/the preparation to receive him are done/it is now possible to receive him.
  • 7 : あと10分で救急車が来ます
    The ambulance will be there in 10 minutes/the ambulance will come in 10 minutes.
  • 8 & 9 : Nurse:先生!! 早く手術場に入って下さい!!
    Doctor! Hurry and come (enter) to the the surgery room!
    Saitou : 分かってます‼︎
    Understood!
  • 10
  • 11
  • 12
  • 13
  • 14
  • 15
  • 16
  • 17 : Nurse1: どうしたのかしら…あの先生…
    Nurse2: 戻ってこないわ
  • 18 & 19
p45-51*
p51-54
  • 1 (I) : Saitou: 違う‼︎夜中に僕みないな研修医を一人しか置かない病院が悪いんだ‼︎
    You’re wrong! The hospital left only a single intern like me in the middle of the night, and that’s wrong/bad!
  • 2a (J) : 医者『が』足りないなら救急車なんて受け入れなきゃいい
    If there isn’t enough doctors one shouldn’t admit ambulances
  • 2b (K) : 院長はお金が欲しいだけじゃないですか‼︎
    Hospital directors, is money the only thing you care about/want?!
  • 3 : Director: で? 人の命を救うんだ… 金をふんだくって何が悪い?
    Huh? We save the life of people… what is wrong with asking a lot of money?
  • 4 : そもそも オレがお金を とる事と お前がオぺを しなかった事に 何の関係がある?
    first, you not having done an operation, what relationship is there with me taking money?
  • 5 : 新人だろうが半人前だろうが患者にとってお前は医者だ。
    You’re a doctor but you’re a rookie and not a man yet but you take on patients, you’re a doctor.
  • 6 : オペに失敗したら殺人だと
    failing up the operation is a murder you say?
    もとはと言えば悪いのは事故を起こした本人
    f you think about it, the bad thing is actually the person that provoked the accident
  • 7 : 必ずオペはしろ……聞こえのいい正論を口にするな
    don’t say nice-sounding [politically correct] things
  • 8 : 正しいってのは弱いって事だ
    The proper thing, is to be weak
  • 9 : 強いってのは悪い事だ
    Being strong is a bad thing
  • 10 : 医師免許取った瞬間からお前は普通の人間ではない…強くなれ
    From the moment you get your physician’s license you are (no longer) an ordinary person. You are stronger
p55-58
  • A : Dekune: おーーっす
    永大出~~~
    Saitou: 牛田さん…
    Dekune: Heeeey EiDai-graduate
    Saitou: Ushida
  • B & C : ゆうべは悪かったなー
    ah… I’m sorry for last night…
    うっかり深酒しちまって電話に気づかんかったー
    ah… I carelessly drank too much and didn’t notice the phone
    なんだよ?また落ち込んでのか?
    What?! So you are still/again depressed?
  • D & E : 昔さ……オレもかみついた事が あるんだよ……
    How it was……I also get (understand?) you…
    あんたのやり方は間違ってる……医療は金もうけの道具じゃない……って院長にな
    Your way of thinking is wrong; healthcare is not a money-making tool, as you think of the director.
  • F : 今でも正しくないと思っている
    Now, however, you’re not thinking about being righteous.
  • G : だけどよ… 正しいって事で自己満足しても何も変わらねえ
    Even if you feel self-satisfied for being right, nothing will change.
  • H : あの人は命を救い続けている… それは事実なんだ…
    He continues to save lives… That is a fact.
  • I : Patient’s family: 無事だったのね‼︎ 無事だったのね‼︎ ヒロシ‼︎
    *You are safe!! You are safe, Hiroshi!!
  • J & K : Saitou: なんなんだ…?
    what is it
    医者って一体 なんなんだ…?
    I wonder what it IS to be a doctor…

The Manga Available Online for Free
Episode 1 : 第1話 研修医の夜
Jisho: dictionary

Note: this episode 1 had also been used at Wasabi site for Japanese Reading Practice with Manga 1-1-1, 1-1-2 and 1-1-3.
The reading exercises had been done without looking at there; but you can compare both, to see how good (or not) these exercises are.

some stats on Ep.1

Exercises started: 2020年4月5日
Exercises finished: 2020年4月20日 (16日かかった)
Number of pages: 58頁
Number of analyses: 155
Number of participants: 5人

第2話 ウナギとゴッドハンド

Episode 2, Eels and God hands

Places and names↓
  • 斉藤 英二郎 (さいとう えいじろう): the main character. He is an idealist who wants to be a doctor to help people as opposed to become rich.
  • 永禄大学: the Eiroku (or Eternal Fortune) university, where Saitou graduated. Abbreviation: 永大.
  • 誠同病院: Seidou hospital, a private hospital where Saitou did part-time job at night (on Episode 1). It paid well but was in conflict with Saitou’s values and beliefs.
  • 服部 脩(はっとり おさむ): director of Seidou hospital.
  • 牛田 克雄(うしだ かつお): doctor that worked at night at Seidou hospital. He told (on Ep.1) Saitou about how that hospital prefers traffic accidentees as their treatment is not reglemented and can be billed four times more. And tries to get back in contact with Saitou, by phone (Ep.2) then by letter (Ep.3).
  • 出久根 邦弥(でくね くにや): fellow intern that (Ep.2 & 3) trains with Saitou.
  • 第一外科 : 1st surgery department. Eiroku U. follows the “super rotate” method, in which interns train on various different services in rotation; at Ep. 2 & 3 Saitou trains here.
  • 春日部 一郎(かすかべ いちろう): nicknamed “God’s hands”, is a professor at the Eiroku University hospital that just do initial incisions, and otherwise is interested only in study of eels.
  • 白鳥 貴久(しらとり たかひさ): doctor at the 1st surgery department that did the actual operation (Ep.2) at which “God’s hands” appeared. He is the instructor of Saitou and Dekune.
  • 金子 敏夫(かねこ としお): the 75 year old person that got the surgery (Ep.2). Pr. Shiratori assigns Saitou to take care of him; the operation was successful, but he is still unconscious.
The story so far : page by page↓

Each dropdown section reveals the original Japanese text, and its interpretation into English, on those pages
(click on the letter/number in front of each text to go to the post(s) with full details on analyzing the text)

(up to p. 6 it was done on an external forum; put here for reference)

p1-3
  • 1, 2 & 3 : 医者って一体なんだ…?
    What does it mean to be a doctor…?
    あの夜から一週間…
    (it’s) one week from that night
    答えは出ないままだ…
    and so the answer (still) doesn’t come out
  • 4 : Answering machine: 只今 留守にしております
    I am currently out
  • 5 : ご用のある方はピーッという発信音のあとにメッセージをどうぞ
    If you need to, please leave a message after the beep sound
  • 6 : Recorded message: えー誠同病院の牛田です
    Uh… It’s Ushida of Seidou Hospital…
  • 7 : 院長がまた斎藤くんに当直のバイトを頼めないかと申しておりました
    The director has said we should request you to take part-time shifts again.
  • 8 : Ushida: 留守電に気づいたら連絡を下さい
    Please get in touch if you notice the answering machine
    9 : またこちらからも連絡します
    I will also contact you again from here
  • 10 : Saitou: 一週間前ーー 僕は当直のバイト先の病院でひん死の患者を目の前に逃げ出した…
    A week ago, at my most recent part-time shift at the hospital, I ran away from a patient dying before my eyes
  • 11 : あの時院長が来なければ患者は確実に死んでいた
    If the director had not come at that moment, the patient would have died.
  • 12 : Director: ほっといても死ぬ…どうせ死ぬなら腹を開けろ
    “if they’ll die anyway, open them up”
  • 13 : Saitou: 僕は いまだにここから動けずにいる
    I’m…still stuck here or I…still cannot move from here
p4-6
  • 14 : Saitou: このまま田舎に帰りてエエエエエ‼
    as long as nothing changes, I want to go hooooooome…
  • 15 : Narrator: 七月 そんな思いとは関係なく大学病院での日々は続いていた
    July – Despite of those thoughts, the days at the university continued
  • 16 : ①えー…本日より7月…
    today, in July
    ②研修医諸君も3ヶ月の基礎研修を終え…
    In three months time you will graduate from your foundational training as medical interns.
    ③いよいよ本格的な研修に入ってもらうことになって
    Furthermore, you will also be receiving genuine training/enter genuine training.
  • 17 some Professor: 当 第一外科で研修する者は7名
    and then, he names of the 7 persons that will train at the 1st surgery (service)
  • 18 : 出久根 邦弥
    Dekune Kuniya
    斉藤 英二郎
    Saitou Eijirou
  • A : お早うございまーーす!
    Good morning
    採血の時間でーーす!
    It’s time to collect blood!
  • B : Patient: なあ先生 医者ってやつは もうかるん だろ
    Nah, Sir, aren’t you physicians wealthy?
    今度ウチの娘と会ってみねーか?
    Next time, won’t you see my daughter?
  • C : Saitou: なぜみんな医者を金持ちだと思っているんだろう?
    "I wonder why everyone thinks that doctors are rich?*
  • D : 僕の月給は3万8千円!当直のバイトでもしなきゃ生活もきしなし程ビンボ一なのに!!
    My monthly salary is ¥38,000, but without my part time job for living, I’m poor
  • E : Dekune : 分かったからオレにるなよ斉藤
    All right, so don’t let me go, Saito.
p7
  • A : some professor: 用意のできた者から手術場に入るように
    You need to get ready in order to enter the operating room.
  • B & C: 全員そろった所で説明を始めるぞー
    Everyone present here will begin.
    Narrator: ご存知かも知れないが大学病院とは教育・研究・診療の3つを目的とした特殊な病院であり
    You may know that university hospitals are special hospitals that target three things, teaching/research/treatment, and…
  • D: 通常 大学の医学部に附属して設置されている
    *…are usually established and attached to the medical faculty of a university.”
    (文部科学省 大学設置基準)
    (standard on the establishment of univiersities, of the ministry of education science and culture)
  • E : つまり大学病院とは診療だけを目的とした病院ではないのだ
    That is, a university hospital is not a hospital that intends to (do) only treatment.
  • F : Professor: 本日の患者は75歳の男性
    “Today our patient is a 75 years old male”.
  • G: 肝硬変による食道静脈瘤破裂と肝性昏睡を合併している
    “Rupture of oesophagial varices and hepatic coma developed due to the cirrhosis”
p8-9
  • A : Narrator: 僕が今いるのは第一外科 主に食道・胃・腸や肝臓の手術を担当する科だ
    “I am now at the first external department; that department is mainly responsible of esophagus/stomach/intestines and liver surgery.”
  • B : ①大学病院での研修医の研修方式は大きく分けて2つある
    There are roughly two ways of becoming an intern in the university hospital
    ②ひとつ目は最初からひとつの科に所属しそこで集中して学ぶストレート方式
    The first method is to choose one department, join the department, and focus on that; that’s the ‘straightforward method’
  • C :
  • D : もうひとつは2年間どこの科を回ってもよいスーパーローテート方式だ
    Another way to obtain residency is via the Super Rotation Method, which is done by spending two years doing clinical rotations in various departments.
  • E : 永禄大学附属病院の場合はスーパーローテート方式で
    In the case of the the hospital associated with Eiroku university, it’s the supeer-rotate method
  • F : 僕達は一科に2-3ヵ月かけて色々な科で研修を行う
    We spend 2 to 3 months in each department, getting training in various departments
  • G : そして2年間のうちに
    Within a period of two years…
    それぞれが自分の進むべき科を決きめていく事になる
    each of us will be taking a decision on the department that we must follow ourselves
  • H : Surgeon: 間もなく春日部教授がいらっしゃる
    Professor Kasukabe will come very soon
    今日は教授みずから執刀されるとの事だ
    Today, I have been told that the surgical operation will be done by the Professor in person.
p10-15
  • A : Narrator: ゴッドハンド春日部教授
    Professor “God hands” Kasukabe
  • B : 永大の奇跡 手術歴30年にして手術ミスなどの術後トラブルは一例もない。
    The marvel of the Eiroku University; he hasn’t made a mistake in all of his surgery procedures even once in his 30 years of service.
  • C : Pr. Kasukabe: ウナギとは違うもんですね
    Eels are different things
  • D : Pr. Shiratori: 見事な切り口です教授
    Superb incision professor
  • E : Pr. Kasukabe: それじゃあとは頼みます
    please ask for me if you need me;
  • F : 私は研究に戻ります
    I’ll return to my studies.
  • G : Pr. Shiratori: 手術を続けるぞ
    We continue our surgery.
  • H : そこの研修医こっちに戻れ
    the medical intern there, return back to me
  • I : Saitou: なんだったんだ…? 今の…?
    what is it now
  • J : この先生…早くはないけどすごく仕事がていねいだな…
    that professor… he isn’t fast, but (his) impressive work is conscientious
  • K : Dekune: 自分が病気になったら 絶対大学病院には入院しないね…
    If I myself get ill I definitely won’t be hospitalized at a university hospital.
  • L : すっ裸で手術台に載せられてさ
    to be put stark naked on an operating table…
    オレ達みたいな研修医チンポ見られるワケだろ…?
    Should the penis (of a patient) be shown (made visible) to interns like us?
  • M : (still to do)
  • N : Saitou: 無理だよ!
    That’s impossible!
    ヒマもお金もないもん
    I have nor free time nor money
  • O : Dekune: だったらまた当直とうちょくのバイトやれよ
    一晩ひとばんで8万ももらえるんだろ?
    If that’s the case you can do your part time job at 80,000 円 for one night
p16-17
  • A : Saitou: 無理だよ!
    That’s impossible!
  • B : ねえ出久根くん
    さっきの教授の執刀って何の意味があったのかな…?
    Hey Dekune-kun
    That surgical procedure (reference to cutting open the patient) by the professor just before, was there any meaning to it?
  • C : Dekune: ウワサじゃ あの教授の手術はいつも皮膚切開だけらしい…
    普段はウナギの解剖実験ばっかしてるって
    The rumor has it that that professor only ever performs the skin incision.
    Usually, he’s only doing eel dissections (based on what people say).
  • D : Saitou: だって30年間手術ミスがない人なんだろ……?
    But he is a person who hasn’t made a surgical mistake in 30 years
  • E : Dekune: 30年間皮膚切開だけ 確かに失敗してないよね……
    (He) only (did) skin incisions for thirty years, (he’s) certainly not messing up (doing that).
    (at the rear 食券販売機 : meal ticket vending machine)
  • F : 結局 教授けっきょく きょうじゅであるって ことと……
    名医めい いであるか どうかは無関係むかんけい ってことだな……
    In the end (the fact of) being a professor and being a famous doctor (or not) is unrelated.
  • G : 実験論文を書いて博博士号をとり…
    その後もひたすら研究を続けて論文を量産した人が教授になる
    Writing an experimental thesis to obtain a Ph.D., then
    that research is continued devotedly and a person who produces a lot of thesis will become a professor.
  • H : 患者のために病院の中を走り回り…
    腕を磨き続けた人は 教授になれない…
    Running around inside the hospital for the patients…
    people that continue polishing their skills won’t be able to become professors…
p18-19
  • A : Saitou : でもさ… もしも腕に自信ないなら執刀なんてしなきゃいいじゃないか
    Saitou: “But in the case that a person doesn’t have confidence in their ability, they won’t don’t have to perform surgery right?”
  • B : だって〝教授〟だよ
    きっと何か意味があって
    but he is a professor
    surely there is some meaning
  • C : Pr. Shiratori: この場合は金だ
    In this case it’s money.
  • D :
    professors earn up to a million yen as a “gift, favor” from the patient’s family/families.
  • E : 家族かぞくからすれば天下てんか永大教授えいだきょうじゅたのめば安心あんしだとおもったんだろう
    If it was from (the patient’s?) family, I would think that they would ask the world famous Professor to make (the patient) safe.
  • F : Saitou: アナタはさっきの執刀医の…
    You were that surgeon just now/a moment ago
  • G : Pr. Shiratori: 第一外科の白鳥貴久だ
    I am Shiratori Takahisa of the first surgery department.
  • H : 君達(きみたち)(ひと)指導医(しどうい)をやらせてもらう(こと)になってる
    I am to be the preceptor of you two people.
  • I : 食事しょくじわったらんてくれ
    When the meal is finished, come
  • J : 午後から君達にも仕事をしてもらう
    I will have you guys also work starting this afternoon.
p20-24
  • A : この人… さっき手術おじいさんですね
    That person is the old man who just got surgery isn’t?
  • B : 今のところ状態は安定している
    As it stands now, his condition is stable.
  • C : 一応 手術は成功したが今後も意識を回復する可能性は低い
    The surgery was somewhat successful but the possibility of recovery to consciousness is low.
  • D : 重度の肝不全合併で昏睡状態…
    A severe liver failure developed into a comatose state
  • E : 食道静脈瘤破裂による大出血で腎不全も伴っている
    The rupture of the vein of the oesophagus led to a lot of bleeding which is accompanied with renal failure.
  • F : 斎藤先生, 君にはこの患者の受け持ちをお願いする
    Doctor Saitou, you will be in charge of this patient please
  • G & H : ラシックス(利尿剤)で尿量を確保して手術記録を書いておいてくれ
    今 やる事はそれだけだ
    Use Lasix (a diuretic) to maintain his volume of urine and please write the surgery report.
    Right now, that’s all that can be done.
    出久根先生 君には他の患者を紹介する
    Dr. Dekune, I will introduce an other patient to you.
  • I : え…僕と一緒じたいんですか?
    (We) won’t be together?
  • J : 何言ってるんだ…?
    このくらい研修医一人でやるのはどの病院でも常識だぞ
    What (the heck) are you talking about?
    Having a single doctor in training doing that much is common sense in any hospital.
  • K : この患者の受け持ち医は…君だ
    You are in charge of this patient
  • L : 今日初めて僕は正式に入院患者を受け持ちつ事になった…
    Today, for the first time, I became officially in charge of an in-patient
  • M : 僕の使命はこの老人の命を守る事だ…
    My mission is to safeguard/protect this old man’s life
  • N : 金子敏夫75歳ーーー
    Kaneko Toshio, 75 years old"
    昨日 自宅で倒れ意識不明この病院へ運びこまれた
    Yesterday, he fell unconscious at his home and has been carried to this hospital
  • O : この人の生死僕は握っている
    The life and death of that person is my hands. (tweaked to sound good in English)
  • P : お前は医者だ…
    You are a doctor
    新人だろうが半人前だろうが患者にとってお前は医者だ…
    You may be a newbie, or you may be a half-time working, but for the patients you are a doctor (interpretation still on debate)
  • Q & R : これは試練だ…
    This is a test
    僕が本物の医者になれるかどうか…
    Whether or not I can become a genuine doctor…
    試されている…:bangbang:
    I’m being tested (on that)…!!

The Manga Available Online for Free
Episode 2 : 第2話 ウナギとゴッドハンド
Jisho: dictionary

Note: this episode 2 had also been used at Wasabi site for Japanese Reading Practice with Manga 1-2-1.
The reading exercises had been done without looking at there; but you can compare both, to see how good (or not) these exercises are.

第3話 75歳の値段

Episode 3, the cost of 75 years (of age)

Places and names↓
  • 斉藤 英二郎 (さいとう えいじろう): the main character. He is an idealist who wants to be a doctor to help people as opposed to become rich.
  • 永禄大学: the Eiroku (or Eternal Fortune) university, where Saitou graduated. Abbreviation: 永大.
  • 誠同病院: Seidou hospital, a private hospital where Saitou did part-time job at night (on Episode 1). It paid well but was in conflict with Saitou’s values and beliefs.
  • 服部 脩(はっとり おさむ): director of Seidou hospital.
  • 牛田 克雄(うしだ かつお): doctor that worked at night at Seidou hospital. He told (on Ep.1) Saitou about how that hospital prefers traffic accidentees as their treatment is not regulated and can be billed four times more. And tries to get back in contact with Saitou, by phone (Ep.2) then by letter (Ep.3).
  • 出久根 邦弥(でくね くにや): fellow intern that (Ep.2 & 3) trains with Saitou.
  • 第一外科 : 1st surgery department. Eiroku U. follows the “super rotate” method, in which interns train on various different services in rotation; at Ep. 2 & 3 Saitou trains here.
  • 春日部 一郎(かすかべ いちろう): nicknamed “God’s hands”, is a professor at the Eiroku University hospital that just do initial incisions, and otherwise is interested only in study of eels.
  • 白鳥 貴久(しらとり たかひさ): doctor at the 1st surgery department that did the actual operation (Ep.2) at which “God’s hands” appeared. He is the instructor of Saitou and Dekune.
  • 金子 敏夫(かねこ としお): the 75 year old person that got the surgery (Ep.2). Pr. Shiratori assigns Saitou to take care of him, and he takes it seriously. However Pr. Shiratori constantly say to Saitou that it is useless to do “too much”; later he reveals him that nobody expects Mr. Kaneko to come back to life; the operation was a mock operation so that the hospital can get money from the family.
The story so far : page by page↓

Each dropdown section reveals the original Japanese text, and its interpretation into English, on those pages
(click on the letter/number in front of each text to go to the post(s) with full details on analyzing the text)

p1-5
  • A : Nurse: 先生まだ残ってらしたんですか?
    Are you still here doctor?
    Saitou: はい ちょっと気になったもので…
    Yes, there’s something that I’m still curious/concerned about…
  • B & C : お早うございまーす!
    Goooood morning!
  • D : Dekune: どうしたんだ斎藤?
    What’s the matter, Saitou?
    Saitou: 今日ははやけに気合入ってじゃねーか…
    *… *
  • E & F : 血小板60単位 プラズマネート・カッター6本 ベニロン5g
    Platelets: 60 units. Plasmanate Cutter: 6 sticks. Venilon: 5g
    これを全部あの金子老人にやったのかね?斎藤先生
    You did all of this to the elder/old Mr Kaneko, right? Dr Saitou
  • G : はい‼ おかげで患者は今日も良好です!
    Yes!! Thanks to (that) the patient is still fine today
  • H : Pr. Shiratori: よけいな事はしなくていい
    Don’t do too much
    治療の指示は私が出す
    I’ll show you the instructions for the treatment
  • I : (family): ありがとうございます 先生!
    Thank you doctor!
    こんな偉い先生に手術していただいてじいちゃんもきっと満足しとるとです!
    Grandpa being operated by such a great doctor, he will surely be satisfied
  • J : 術後の経過は順調です
    Post-surgery recovery is progressing smoothly.
    手術は100%成功ですが心臓に合併症がありますので…
    The surgery was 100% successful, BUT there are complications with the heart.
  • K : ここから先は正直言って本人の生命力しだいです
    From here onward, to be honest, it depends on the person’s own vitality
    肺塞栓を起こさず回復できるかどうか… 心不全もあるし
    whether he can recover without having a pulmonary embolism (or) heart failure
  • L : Senior Doctor: ちなみにこちらは手術の助手をつとめた白鳥先生……
    By the way this is Dr. Shiratori, who served as an assistant for the surgery… Shiratori bows スッ
    Senior Doctor: あちらは受け持ちの研修医で えーー……と……
    That is the medical intern that he supervises…um…
    Saitou: 斉藤です!! I’m Saitou!!
p6-7
  • A (イ) : すっかりよくなりましたね
    You’ve become completely/much better, huh?
    午後には退院できるように手続きをとっておきましょう
    Let’s do the procedures so you’ll be able to be discharged from the hospital this afternoon first.
  • B (ロ) : ねえ先生 せっかくだから最後に一本点滴を打ってよ!
    Hey doctor, Since it’s hard to come by/a rare opportunity, give me one last IV drip.
  • C (ハ) : あれをやるとぐーんと元気が出るんだ
    *… *
    オレはいっつも調子が悪いと近くの診察所で打ってもらってんだ
    *… *
  • D (ニ) : えー?点滴てすか?
    Hmm… IV drops?
  • E (ホ) : 店滴の中身が何かご存知てすか?桑沢さん
    You know something about the content of IV drops, mister Kuwasawa?
  • F (ヘ) : 500ccの点滴の中身は要するに25gブドウ糖に過きません
    A 500cc IV drip containing not more than 25g of glucose
    牛乳コップ半分程度わずか100キロカロリーの栄養分ですよ
    A half cup of milk is about 100k calories of nutrients
  • G (ト) : するってーと何かい?
    In that case, what?
    点滴って奴は意味なんかないのかい?
    There’s no point to (this) ‘IV drip’ thingy or something then?
  • H (チ) : ええ……お まじない の よう な もの です
    Yes… it’s something like a spell.
  • I (リ) : 脱水症状もないのに点滴を打つなんて日本だけですよ
    Administering an IV when you’re not even dehydrated only happens in Japan
p8-9
  • A : 意外だったな… 白鳥先生って患者さんの前では笑顔もみせるんだ
    It was surprising, doctor Shiratori showed a smiling face in front of the patient
  • B : 斉藤: だけど点滴をすすめない医者なんで珍しいよね
    Saitou: However, a doctor who doesn’t recommend an i.v drip is unusual, don’t you agree
  • C : (いいえ、C じゃなかった)
  • D : 点滴の成分なんてそんなもんだし注射料も入れると一本千円以上するからな…
    The composition of IV drops, that’s how it is! Because when including the price of injection it sums more than 1000JPY per bottle
    患者は一割負担だから100円しか払わないけど…
    However, the patient only pays 100JPY, as he supports a tenth of the costs
  • E : 斉藤: 確かに病院はちゃんと千円もうかってる……
    そういうムダが積もり積って国の医療財政を圧迫するんだよな……
    *Saitou: Certainly the hospital is easily earning thousands of yen……That kind of waste accumulates and puts pressure on the medical finances of the country.
  • H : 違う! 僕は今度こそあの当直での失敗を乗り越えたいんだ‼
    Wrong! This time I want to overcome this failure.
p10-11
  • A : Nurse: 今夜はもうお帰りですか? 先生…
  • Are you going to go return home soon this evening doctor?
  • B : アパートへ帰るとハガキが一枚届いていた…
    I return to my apartment and a note was delivered
  • C : この間 当直のバイトをした病院の先生かこの間 当直のバイトをした病院の先生からだった
    In the meantime, (this) was from the Doctor at the hospital that I did half-time job duty

The letter from 牛田さん:

斉藤英二郎様 Mr Saitou Eijirou
元気か?永大出 're you fine? Eidai-guy
仲々電話がつながらないので As I cannot join you by phone
ハガキを出した。 I sent you a letter.
この間の患者は順調に The patient of the other time
回復してるぞ、 is recovering favorably
また、こっちにも≪バイトに≫こいよ。 See you. Come here to work
  • D : 留守番電話: メッセージは一件です ピッ
    Answering machine: There is one message BEEP!!
    もしもーーし お母さんでーーす
    Hel-lo-----o, it’s (your) Mo----om
  • E : 元気かい英二郎~~
    もうすぐお盆だね~~
    会えるの楽しみにしてるわよ~~
    Eijirou, how are you~~
    It’s almost Obon, isn’t it~~
    I’m looking forward to seeing you again~~
p12-13
  • A : Saitou: 昨日から無尿状態『が』続いていて…
  • B : BUNが110まで上昇しました… 腹膜透析を開始したいのですが
    The BUN raised until 110… I wanted to start a peritoneal dialysis but…
    C, D, E : 白鳥先生 : 何もしなくていい…
    It’s OK to do nothing
    斉藤 : ですが先生…
    But, professor…
    このままでは金子さんの容体は…
    If we do nothing the condition of Mr. Kaneko…
    白鳥先生 : 君にはまだ分からないのか?
    You haven’t understood yet?
    あの手術の意味が…
    …the meaning of that operation
  • F & G : Pr. Shiratori: 患者は自宅で倒れ意識不明のままここへ運ばれてきた……
    The patient collapsed in his own home and was transported all the way here…
    それにもかかわらず手術が行われたのは一日たった後だ
    In spite of that, the performing of the surgery happened only after one day had passed.
    今にも死にそうな患者を前にすぐに手術をしなかった理由が何か分かるか?
    Do you know what the reason that the patient, who even now looks like he will die, was not operated on immediately earlier?
  • H : 常識的に考えて手遅れだったからだ
    Thinking about it commonsensically, it’s because it’s too late.
p14-22
  • A 斉藤 : だ… だけど… 結局手術はしたじゃないですか
    Bu… But… In the end we did the operation, didn’t we?
  • B Pr. Shiratori: 教授の指示だ
    It is the teacher’s instructions
  • C 白鳥先生 : 教授が患者の家族から100万円を受けとったというのは言ったはずだ
    I’m sure to have said you that the professor receives 1 million yen from the patient’s family
    我々はその100万のためだけに無意味に老人の体を切り刻んだ
    We chopped the body of the old man for no reason other than that million.
  • D Saitou: つまり…これ以上の治療は無駄だ
    So… more than this (the cure) is a waste.
  • E Pr. Shiratori: 保険制度のおかげで患者の支払う医療費は月数万程度だが
    (being done)
  • F その金を国民全員が出し合ってストックした医療費の中から出すんだぞ…
    That money, is taken from the medical expenses contributed and stocked by all the citizens
    君は回復の見込みがほとんどない老人を数々月延命するためだけに何千万円もの国民の金を使うのか?
    You, would like to use the money of the people in the tens of millions of yens for the only purpose of keeping alive for months old people who are hardly at all expected to recover
  • G-1 : 現実の日本の医療費は50兆 15年後には80兆と言われている
    It’s being said that the real medical fees in Japan are 50 trillion, will be 80 trillion 15 years later.
  • G-2 : その金を君はどこからひねりだす…?
    From where would you manage to find that money?
p16-17

H : Pr. Shiratori: このままでは日本の医療財政は崩壊する…
If the situation continues, the financial situation of medical care in Japan will crumble…
I : 無駄な延命治療は会社悪いだ…:bangbang:
Futile life-prolonging treatment is a society ill.
J : Saitou: だったらなんで手術なんかしたんだ……?
In that case, why did (he) do something like surgery…?
K : 延命治療が社会悪だなんて言い切るくらいなら
To declare that life-prolonging treatment is a society ill is depressing if that’s the case
L : なんで教授の指示には逆らわなかったんだ…!?
Why didn’t he oppose the instructions of the professor?
M : 僕も同じだ……
I am the same
N : 僕も…… 白鳥先生には一言も言い返さなかった……
Me also… I didn’t even retort one word to Pr. Shiratori
O : 患者さんの事なんて考えてなかった…
I didn’t think about the patient…

p18-19

P : 斉藤:. “これは試練しれんだ”……
Saitou: “This is a test”……
“この人をすくえば自分じぶんは一人前の医者だ”……
“If you save this person, then you are a full-fledged doctor”……
僕がこうていたのは自分の事ばかりだ……
I was thinking only of myself
Q : 当直の時だって自分の失敗ばかりこだわって
ts the time for the hospital job and
ハガキが来るまで患者さんの事なんてすっかり忘れてた
Until that note came, I had completely forgotten that thing about the patient
R : この人の家族は一体どんな気持ちで100万円出したんだ…?
How the hell does that person’s family feel about having paid 1000000 yen?
S : おじさん…
old man…
T : あなたは 生きたいですか?
And you, do you want to live?

p20-22

U : 夜中の病院には死神が歩く
In the middle of the night, the god of death walks at the hospital
V : 永禄大学付属病院病床数1千100…
At Eiroku university affiliated hospital, there are 1,100 beds…
[W(/t/x/43524/77) : 平均して一晩で二人の人が亡くなる
On average, in one night, out of two people, one person will die.
X : Nurse: 先生大変です‼︎
Doctor, it’s terrible!!
起きて下さい先生‼︎
Wake up please doctor!!
Y : 金子さんの容体が急変しました‼︎
There was a sudden change in mister Kaneko’s condition!
起きて下さい‼︎
Wake up please!
Z : Saitou: 脈がない
There is no pulse

The Manga Available Online for Free
Episode 3 : 第3話 75歳の値段
Jisho: dictionary

Note: this episode 3 had also been used at Wasabi site for Japanese Reading Practice with Manga 1-3-1.
The reading exercises had been done without looking at there; but you can compare both, to see how good (or not) these exercises are.

Guys, I received an email from the mod teams regarding the threads yesterday about being too many of them. I replied that I wouldn’t make new threads anymore which is why I voted a single thread where everything is together at the same place. This was the idea before I received the message but maybe the mods just recently decided on the situation. It’s their forum and I actually prefer threads which group everything together.

It would probably be better if I shared the message, I don’t think there’s anything confidential but I’d rather wait and get the ok. This further confirms that having one home threads and other threads at the same time will not work out. People are not liking the proliferation of threads and I understand. Let’s respect their community preferences and conform. This isn’t duo lingo where threads quickly disappear, posts here bump to the top which means we ca have 3 threads popping and this is too much.

Once this home thread is wiki’d I’ll be putting my participation’s here as was previously voted. We have to stop having threads all over the place. The other clubs are restraining themselves to one thread where they gather everything and so should we. While people don’t really participate it’s still a 0lace for us to run our activity and believe me, there are maybe 5 active Japanese learning communities.

3 Likes

Did they happen to give you any examples of other clubs? I’d like to see what they do in order to understand how we can structure this. I see that the Re:Zero reading club seems to go by volume. IDK what the rest do.

I added this thread to the Master List (under Misc (scheduled)) :slightly_smiling_face: do you guys think you’re more on the beginner side or the intermediate side?

I don’t think it’s quite that extreme - as Jonapedia says, some clubs like Re:Zero have a thread per volume, but most of the non-specific book clubs have weekly discussion threads separate from their ‘home thread’ (for example). Or e.g. things like Girls’ Last Tour transitioned from using weekly threads per chapter to using one per volume after activity died down during volume 2.

5 Likes

Thanks a lot @Radish8. Do you think we could do one thread per episode then? I’m guessing that the main issue was that we were creating one thread a day, and as I’ve come to realise, WaniKani threads are perfecting capable of coping with 3000+ posts per thread. I think one episode would take at least a week to translate, given that we do about two pages a day, and each of our dropdown lists for previous episodes contains at least 8 double-page screenshots. (Other suggestions are welcome, of course!)

EDIT: @JenK Thanks for the clarification! Given what you just said, I guess one thread per episode (or rather per chapter aka 話) would work then. I’ll leave the rest to read your message then. (I’ll add a link to the current translation thread.) I kinda got roped in as a helper/tutor, so I haven’t had experience creating the threads yet. I usually just add comments. Thanks again!

1 Like

Hi @Zizka, I think you may have misinterpreted my email but I suggested either one master thread (like this one) where you have different sections linked within the long thread or just creating new weekly discussion threads instead of daily, like the other reading groups. Weekly per chapter or per volume, whatever makes sense for this manga.

I think @Radish8 gave a good example of ones you can follow as an example! I don’t know how it is done on duolingo but taking a look around and seeing how other other users have used the reading category should give you guys a good idea :raised_hands:

Either way, as long as the frequency of your new threads are similar to other users, we’re fine with whatever you guys decide.

This new current thread is fine if you wanted to just use this to link your weekly threads.

5 Likes

They can actually go up to 10,000 before they get closed :grin:

3 Likes

Really now? That’s pretty cool. Hahaha. By the way, I realise no one’s replied you on whether we’re more ‘beginner’ or ‘intermediate’. I think the rest will have a better idea of that, but my impression is that it’s a little complicated… OK, with no offence meant to the rest at all, I think we’re mostly beginners, perhaps about to cross into intermediate territory. But in any case, from what I understand (though I joined this group late), everyone started this manga as beginners with the intention of improving as much as possible.

As for the manga itself: in terms of kanji, I’d say this manga is at least intermediate, possibly advanced (I think you can judge better than me because I haven’t touched the WaniKani levels). The hard words are mostly medical terms. Language isn’t flowery otherwise. In terms of grammar, I think it’s a little above beginner level. I looked at a website listing JLPT grammar points, and I think most of the grammar is N5-N4 level? A few N3 points, that’s all.

That’s all from me. I’m just doing a rough analysis. @Zizka @Shannon-8 @YanagiPablo Could you all please state your impression of your current level, and of whom this project is meant for? You guys started this together, so you’d know better.

1 Like

Re. The target level of this thread. I feel like it’s appropriate for “intermediate beginners”, and by that I mean people familiar with kana and kanji with some vocabulary and a sense of verb usage.
Beginner, because we analyze ONE SENTENCE AT A TIME and (optionally can) EXPLAIN EVERYTHING IN EXCRUCIATING DETAIL. NO QUESTION IS TOO STUPID. (This is entirely different from the other book clubs that I have peeked into). I think it’s a great trial opportunity BEFORE embarking in an entire book club. (Now I’m ready to try one) We are more about the language learning than the manga.

History: we had kind of “stalled out” in our learning and wanted to experience conversations in context instead of isolated sentences. We had trouble finding stories that were challenging at our level and not overly childish; and the copyright issues.

2 Likes

Being familiar with the grading system of the WK book clubs, I agree with that assessment. Intermediate and above focus a lot more on discussing the story rather than asking questions (not that they are particularly forbidden or anything; it’s just that people in those clubs have way less questions and can often look up the answers by themselves).

3 Likes

A pace of ~14 pages per week aligns too.

I’ve marked it as Beginner then :slightly_smiling_face:

3 Likes

I think one episode would take at least a week to translate, given that we do about two pages a day, and each of our dropdown lists for previous episodes contains at least 8 double-page screenshots. (Other suggestions are welcome, of course!)

I kept statistics of how long it took us to do each episode back on Duo Lingo. It depends on a lot on variable participation but it never took us less than two weeks to do an episode. This might end up being faster and faster with practice but it’ll take a long while before we do an episode a week.

2 Likes

Introducing ☆Proposals☆:

This is something I wanted to pitch in for a while now so there it is:

What is it?

The idea of a “proposal” is simply a declaration of a new methodology to submit to the community. It can be anything which would involve a collective change to be accepted or rejected by the group. As we go along, new ideas pop up to improve how effective the activity is.

An example could be:
Proposal: Renaming the activity “Translation Exercise” or “Collapsing replies of 5 lines or more” etc…

Anyone can submit a proposal, whether they participate or not. It is then voted. If it has the majority, it is integrated as a new methodology. If not, it is rejected and not implemented.

1 Like

第4話 夏雲

Episode 4, Summer Clouds

Places and names↓
  • 斉藤 英二郎 (さいとう えいじろう): the main character. He is an idealist who wants to be a doctor to help people as opposed to become rich.
  • 永禄大学: the Eiroku (or Eternal Fortune) university, where Saitou graduated. Abbreviation: 永大.
  • 誠同病院: Seidou hospital, a private hospital where Saitou did part-time job at night (on Episode 1). It paid well but was in conflict with Saitou’s values and beliefs.
  • 服部 脩(はっとり おさむ): director of Seidou hospital.
  • 牛田 克雄(うしだ かつお): doctor that worked at night at Seidou hospital. He told (on Ep.1) Saitou about how that hospital prefers traffic accidentees as their treatment is not regulated and can be billed four times more. And tries to get back in contact with Saitou, by phone (Ep.2) then by letter (Ep.3).
  • 出久根 邦弥(でくね くにや): fellow intern that (Ep.2 & 3) trains with Saitou.
  • 第一外科 : 1st surgery department. Eiroku U. follows the “super rotate” method, in which interns train on various different services in rotation; at Ep. 2 & 3 Saitou trains here.
  • 春日部 一郎(かすかべ いちろう): nicknamed “God’s hands”, is a professor at the Eiroku University hospital that just do initial incisions, and otherwise is interested only in study of eels.
  • 白鳥 貴久(しらとり たかひさ): doctor at the 1st surgery department. He is the instructor of Saitou and Dekune.
  • 金子 敏夫(かねこ としお): the 75 year old person that got the surgery (Ep.2). Pr. Shiratori constantly say to Saitou that it is useless to do “too much” about him; later he reveals that nobody expects Mr. Kaneko to come back to life; the operation was a useless operation, done on instructions of Pr. Kasukabe, so that the hospital can get money from the family (Ep.3). Saitou has however been able to get his heart beat again.
The story so far : page by page↓

Each dropdown section reveals the original Japanese text, and its interpretation into English, on those pages
(click on the letter/number in front of each text to go to the post(s) with full details on analyzing the text)

p1-3
  • 1 : Narrator: 午前1時20分ー
    金子敏夫(75歳)の容体が急変 心臓が停止する
    At 1:20 in the morning, Kaneko Toshio (75 years old)'s condition took a sudden turn as his heart stopped beating.
  • 2 : Saitou: 生き返れ
    Come back to life!
  • 3 : Pr. Kanukabe: 非常(ひじょう)(もう)()げにくい(こと)ですが
    It is an extremely delicate matter to say.
  • 4 : お父様の意識が回復する見込みはほぼなくなりました
    Your father’s chance to recover consciousness are almost gone
  • 5 : 現在心臓マッサージでなんとか心拍は戻ってはいますが
  • Currently, the heart is beating again after a cardiac massage, but…*
  • 6 : 肝不全 心不全『に』加え 心停止による 低酸素[血]症で…
    In addition to liver and heart failure, he had a cardiac arrest; the hypoxemia is damaging his brain
p4-7
  • 7 : Pr. Shiratori: どうしてそのまま死なせてやらなかった
    Why didn’t you just let him die
  • 8 : やるなといった腹膜透析まで行うなんて…
    What, you will perform even the peritoneal dialysis I told you not to do…
  • 9 : くどいようだが単なる延命処置は国民の医療費の無駄遣いだ
    It may seem like I’m repeating myself, but but life lengthening measures is a waste of the nation’s medical resources/fees
  • 10 : Saitou: 白鳥先生…医者が患者を助けようとするのがそんなにいけない事ですか…
    Doctor Shiratori, is it a wrong thing for a doctor to attempt to help and do other things like that for a patient
  • 11 : Pr. Shiratori: 私はこういう患者(かんじゃ)何百(なんびゃく)見てきた
    I’ve also seen hundreds of patients like this one
  • 12 : 死にゆく(もの)は静かにみとるべきだ
    You should quietly care for a person who is dying/about to die
  • 13 : Saitou : それじゃあだまって死ぬのを見てろって言うんですか…?
    So, you’re telling me to stay silent and keep watching [as] death [occurs]…?
  • 14 : Pr. Shiratori: その通りだ
    That is so
  • 15 & 16 : Family: 難しい事『は』分かんね
    I don’t understand difficult things
    お任せします
    “We leave the decision up to you [doctors]”
    Dr. Shiratori: 延命処置は中止させていただきます
    We will stop the life prolonging treatment
  • 17 : Saitou: おじいさん… あなたは本当に意識がないんですか…?
    Old man, are you really unconscious/not conscious?
  • 18 : もしかして目も口も(からだ)も働かなせなくて
    Perhaps you can’t open move your eyes, your mouth as well as your body…
  • 19 : 自分の思ってる事を人に伝えられないだけじゃないんですか…?
    …and that’s only that you cannot convey to others the things you’re thinking?
  • 20 : 教えて下さい… あなたは本当にこんな最後でいいんですか…?
    Tell me please,… are you really ok with this being your final moments?
p8
  • 21 : Narrator: 7月6日ー
    :speech_balloon:6th of July
    延命処置中止から3日経過
    :speech_balloon:Its been 3 days since the suspension of the life-prolonging measures
  • 22 : 斉藤: 息子さんも誰も来なくなっちゃいましたね
    :speech_balloon:It’s become such that neither his/your son nor anybody (else) comes, huh?
  • 23 : 手術の時はあなたのために100万円も出したのに…
    :speech_balloon:It cost 1 million yen for the surgery time for you…
  • 24 & 25 : 死ぬ と 決まったら 見舞い に すら 来ない んです ね……
    When it’s sure that (you) will die, (they) don’t come even for visits, eh?
    なん だった んです か ね……?
    What was (all) that, huh?
    あの 100万円 は あなた へ の 餞別 だった のか な……?
    Was that ¥100 000 a farewell gift for you(, perhaps)?
p9-10
  • 26 : Saitou: お早うございます
    Good morning
  • 27 : 何やってるんですか?
    What are you doing?
  • 28 : Nurse: そりゃ先生
    Well doctor…
    意識がなくても体は汚れるし動かさないと床ずれもできますから…
    even if they’re unconscious, their body still gets dirty and if you don’t move them they will develop bedsores
p11-14
  • 29 : Saitou: 伸びている ヒゲが伸びている
    It’s growing. The beard is growing
  • 30 : “spectral” voice: 助けてくれよ先生
    Help me doctor
  • 31 : お願いだよ先生…
    :speech_balloon:Please doctor
    オレは死にたくねえんだ
    :speech_balloon:I don’t want to die
  • 32 : なんとかしてくれよ先生…
    :speech_balloon:Do something for me, doctor…
    お医者は偉いから『先生』って呼ばれてるんだろ…
    :speech_balloon:A doctor is called “master” because he is excellent, isn’t he?
  • 33 : Narrator: たとえ意識を回復する可能性が1%しかなかったとしても……
    :speech_balloon:Even assuming that the chances of recovering consciousness were no more than 1%…
  • 34 : 医療側の都合で治療をやめるのは間違いだ…
    stopping a medical treatment due to medical staff circumstances is an error…
  • 35 : (recalling Dr Hattori words): どうせ死ぬなら腹を開けろ
    In the case that he will die anyway, open the stomach
  • 36-38 : なんにもしないよりマシだ
    It’s better than doing nothing
    お前は医者だ
    You are a doctor
    新人だろうが半人前だろうがお前は医者なんだ…
    Whether you are a newbie or yet inexperienced, you are a doctor
    Saitou: 僕は医者だ…!
    I am a doctor!
p15
  • 39 : Dr Shiratori: なんだね斎藤先生… 何か用かね
    “What is it, doctor Saitou, what do you want/what is your purpose?”
  • 40 : Saitou: お願いします 金子さんに腹膜透析や輸血をやらせて下さい
    Please let mister Kaneko do the dialysis and the blood transfusion
  • 41 : お願いします‼︎
    金子さんの延命処置を再開けさせて下さい‼︎
    Please, resume Mr Kaneko’s life prolonging measures again!
p16-17
  • 42 : Shiratori: 何度言わせる気だ
    How many times are you planing to make me say this
  • 43 : 無駄な延命処置は社会悪だ
    Life extension measures are a social ill/evil
  • 44 & 45 : 君はなんとなく手をつくした気になって自分を納得させたいだけど
    However, you somehow feel as to try all possibilities and want to convince yourself
    そんな 自己 満足 に 投じる 大金 は ない!
    There aren’t large amounts of money to throw in such self complacent manner
  • 46 : Saitou: 初めて金子さんの手術をしている先生を見て時… 僕はちょっと感動しました…
    You are the doctor who first participated in mister Kaneko’s surgery and from the time I’ve seen this it has moved me
  • 47 & 48 : 自分が病気になったとしてたら… 先生みたいな人に手術してもらいたいと思いました…
    I thought I wanted to be operated by someone like you… If I get ill myself…
  • 49 & 50 : 先生はあの手術の時何を考えていたんですか…?
    Doctor, what were you thinking at the time of the surgery?
    どうせ死ぬと思ってたんなら…
    If you thought that he would die no matter what…
  • 51 : なんであんなていねいな手術をしたんですか
    “Why do such a conscientious surgery?”
  • 52 : Shiratori: 私は外科医だ
    I’m a surgeon
    自分の仕事にプライドを持っている
    I am proud of my job
  • 53 : Saitou: あのおじいさんを助けたかったからやじゃないんですか?
    That’s why? Not because you wanted to save him!?
p18-19
  • 54 : 延命処置が医療財政を圧迫するのは確かです
    Life extension measures puts pressure on the health financing of course.
  • 55 : でも1%でも可能性があれば目の前の患者をおうとするのが医者でしょう?
    A doctor tries to save the patient in front of him even if there’s just 1% of success
  • 56 : Shiratori: 素人みたいな事言うな!
    This is something an amateur would say!
    そういう安っぽい医者が医療の未来を閉ざすんだ
    That is the type of cheap doctor who closes the future of medical care finances
  • 57 : Saitou: だったら先生だって変ですよ!
    “If that’s the case, it’s strange to be a doctor!”
    先生は無意味な手術をして医療財政を圧迫した…
    Doctor, by doing meaningless surgeries you have put pressure on the healthcare finances…”
  • 58 : Shiratori: 教授の指示だ
    “It’s the teacher’s instruction.”
    私の意志ではたい
    “It’s not my intention”
  • 59 : Saitou: そんなのズルイですよ
    “This is dishonest!”
    教授がウンコ食えって言うったら…
    “If the professor tells you to eat shit…”
  • 60 : Shiratori: そのくらいの覚悟だ!
    "That’s how far I am ready to go!*
    私は将来必ずこの大学の教授になる
    “I will definitely become one of that university’s professors in the future”
  • 61 & 62 : 教授になってまずはこの大学を変える…
    I’ll become a professor, and at first I’ll change this university…
    全国にある永大の関連病院を変える…
    I’ll change the hospitals in connection with Eiroku University all around the country…
    そして日本の医療を変える!
    Then I’ll change the medical care of Japan!
  • 63 : 結果的に それがより多くの人救う道だ
    Concerning the result, there are more ways to help people
  • 64 : Saitou: そんな理屈が聞きたいんじゃありまけん
    I don’t want to hear that reason
  • 65 : 先生は あの患者さんをどう思ってるんですか?
    Doctor… What are you thinking/what do you think about that patient?
p20-21
  • 66, 67, 68 : 先生はあの患者さん助けたくないんですか…?!
    Doctor, don’t you want to help that patient?!
    輸血と腹膜透析を再開します
    Resume the blood transfusion and the peritoneum dialysis
    あの患者の担当医… 僕です…
    I’m the doctor in charge of that patient
p22
  • 69 : Narrator: 7月7日 輸血と腹膜透析を再開…
    7th of July : Mister Kaneko’s blood transfusion and peritoneal dialysis resume
  • 70 & 71 : Nurse: ホラ先生ちゃんとそっちのシーツもって
    Look out sensei, you do the sheets this way
    まったくお医者さんってなんで看護婦まかせっきりなんだから!
    Truly, why don’t doctors just leave everything to nurses!
p24-25
  • 72 : Narrator: 治療を再開して間もなく…
    No longer after treatment restarted…
  • 73 : おじいちゃんの家族は再びお見舞いに来るようになったー
    … it turns that the grandfather’s family is coming to visit again
  • 74 : 白鳥先生… 僕にはこのおじいさんが生きたいと思ってるかどうか 本当は分かりません
    Doctor Shiratori… I don’t know if that old man wants to live or not, I really don’t know
  • 75 & 76 : だけど… 少なくとも家族はこんなに強く生きて欲しいと願っています…
    But at least the family strongly desires him to live
    強く… Strongly…
p28-29
  • 77, 78, 79 : Narrator: 金子敏郎享年75歳
    Kaneko Toshio, age of death 75 years
    僕が初めて受け持った患者さんだ
    It was the first time I was in charge of a patient
    Family: はい これで荷物は全部です
    Yes, that is all the luggage (his luggage)
    本当にありがとうございました
    We really want to thank you
  • 80 : Saitou: 申し訳ありませんでした
    I am truly sorry.
    僕にもっとカがあれば…
    If I had more strength…
  • 81 : 先生… おじいちゃんが倒れた時なんとか助けて欲しいと思って
    Doctor… When Grandpa collapsed we wanted you somehow save him
    教授さんに100万円お渡ししました
    and we transferred 1,000,000Yen to the professor
  • 82 : だけどもし助かっても寝たきりになったら共働きだしどうしう?
    Even if he is saved, what can two working people/working couple do if (the patient) is bedridden?
  • 83 : そんな気持ちも少しだけありました…
    There’s also a little bit of /this feeling those feelings…
  • 84 : だから延命処置をやめになると言われた時
    うしろめたくて病院に来れませんでした
    So, when we were called to stop the life extension measures we felt guilty and couldn’t come to the hospital
p30-32
  • 84b : じいちゃん『は』いい死『に』方『を』しました…
    Grandfather died in a good way/it was a good way for our grandfather to pass away…
  • 85 : 最期まで…ありがとうございました…
    Thank you… for seeing him through.
  • 86 : Narrator: 死に方にいいも悪いもない
    There is no good nor bad way of dying.
  • 87 : 死ねば皆同じだ
    We are all the same when dying
    僕はあの患者さんを救えなかった
    I couldn’t save that patient
  • 88 : Shiratori: 斎藤先生 君はずっとそんな事を繰り返すのが
    Doctor Saitou, you have been repeating such things
  • 89 & 90 : この先
    From this point on…
    今回の様な患者にはいくらでも出会うぞ
    You will meet this type of patient as many as you want
    Saitou: はい まだ当直のバイトに使っていただけたらと思いまして
    I’m thinking I could still make use of that job

The Manga Available Online for Free
Episode 4 : 第4話 夏雲
Jisho: dictionary

Note: this episode 4 had also been used at Wasabi site for Japanese Reading Practice with Manga 1-4-1 and 1-4-2.
The reading exercises had been done without looking at there; but you can compare both, to see how good (or not) these exercises are.

some stats on Ep.4

Exercises started: 2020年5月7日
Exercises finished: 2020年5月21日 (14日かかった)
Number of pages: 34頁
Number of analyses: 90
Number of participants: 5人

More detailed stats: here

3 Likes

Proposal:

Make the weekly threads wiki as well so we can put all of the pictures to translate at the beginning instead of having them scattered in the thread and having to look for them.

I’ve made the vote anonymous so that people feel comfortable making their decision.

  • In favor
  • Not in favor

0 voters

(Just noticed the previous proposal was at 50/50. It was 3 vs 1 at the time I asked the weekly to be wiki’d).

Proposal:

Rename the title of the thread to something more representative and movie it out of the reading subsection.


The activity isn’t a reading thread like the other book clubs. It’s essentially a grammatical exercise first and reading second.

I think “Translation Exercise” would be more representative. It might also help members overcoming the barrier of “I wasn’t there when I started so I will never participate”.

It would also expose beginners to a lot of grammatical concepts explained by our thread’s tutors which can then be archived and referenced.

At the moment it’s quietly nestled as another book club but it’s not that. The focus is much more on grammatical analysis than on reading.

  • In favour for changing the title but keep the thread in the reading section
  • In favour of changing the title and moving the thread to general Japanese
  • In favour for keeping things the same (the way they are right now)

0 voters

Ok we don’t have a tie this time around, that’s good. I’d like more votes but that’s the idealist talking.

As for the thread title, here are my suggestions:
① Translation exercise ブラックジャックによろしく
② Grammar exercise; ブラックジャックによろしく
③ Japanese Language Exercises
if you have other other suggestions let me know and I’ll add them for the poll.