Learning through Translating: ブラックジャックによろしく episode 4: 夏雲

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Episode 4


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Sentence Summary
p16-17
  • 42

  • 43

  • 47 : 自分が病気になったとしてたら… 先生みたいな人に手術してもらいたいと思いました…
    I thought I wanted to be operated by someone like you… If I get ill myself…

  • 51 : なんであんなていねいな手術をしたんですか
    “Why do such a conscientious surgery?”

  • 53
p18-19
  • 54 : 延命処置が医療財政を圧迫するのは確かです
    Life extension measures puts pressure on the health financing of course.
  • 55 : でも1%でも可能性があれば目の前の患者をおうとするのが医者でしょう?
    A doctor tries to save the patient in front of him even if there’s just 1% of success
  • 56 : 素人みたいな事言うな!
    This is something an amateur would say!
    そういう安っぽい医者が医療の未来を閉ざすんだ
    That is the type of cheap doctor who closes the future of medical care finances
  • 57 : だったら先生だって変ですよ!
    “If that’s the case, it’s strange to be a doctor!”
    先生は無意味な手術をして医療財政を圧迫した…
    Doctor, by doing meaningless surgeries you have put pressure on the healthcare finances…”
  • 58 : 教授の指示だ
    “It’s the teacher’s instruction.”
    私の意志ではたい
    “It’s not my intention”
  • 59 : そんなのズルイですよ
    “This is dishonest!”
    教授がウンコ食えって言うったら…
    “If the professor tells you to eat shit…”
  • 60 : そのくらいの覚悟だ!
    "That’s how far I am ready to go!*
    私は将来必ずこの大学の教授になる
    “I will definitely become one of that university’s professors in the future”
  • 61 & 62 教授になってまずはこの大学を変える…
    I’ll become a professor, and at first I’ll change this university…
    全国にある永大の関連病院を変える…
    I’ll change the hospitals in connection with Eiroku University all around the country…
    そして日本の医療を変える!
    Then I’ll change the medical care of Japan!

  • 65
p28-29
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  • 81 : 先生… おじいちゃんが倒れた時なんとか助けて欲しいと思って
    Doctor… When Grandpa collapsed we wanted you somehow save him
    教授さんに100万円お渡ししました
    and we transferred 1,000,000Yen to the professor

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21.

7月6日ー

:speech_balloon:6th of July

延命処置中止から3日経過

:speech_balloon:Its been 3 days since the suspension of the life-prolonging measures

☆New Vocabulary☆
経過【けいか】indicates the passage of time as could be surmised from the context. Just one word this time, the rest we recently saw.

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22.

息子さん『も』誰『も』来なくなっちゃいましたね

:speech_balloon:Even your son who… then something about coming.

:thought_balloon:Not too sure on how to parse this one. いました+ね at the end I imagine.

:thought_balloon:Actually 来 doesn’t have a definition « to come » so it’s different than Chinese. It’s a prefix which means “next”.

来なくなっちゃ that I’d need help with. I’ve never seen a っ before a ち so maybe it’s a つ?

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文節分け→ 息子さんも・誰も・来なく・なっちゃいました
なっちゃいました is short for なって・しまいました

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23

手術の時はあなたのために100万円も出したのに…

23 Analysis
  • 手術の時は(しゅじゅつのときは) literally surgery’s time (subject); note the reading of 時here is the alternate とき
  • あなたのために this is the hardest part for me, because I don’t correctly process “favor” language, yet. ために indicates a favor for someone. I was surprised that it’s the の that is marking who the favor is for! “For you” ??
  • 100万円も出したのに(ひゃくまんえんもだ…) past tense 出すI will say “spent” here, it may be “cost”. I’m still always calculating this wrong, so need to write out the multiplier for my brain 100x10,000 yen= 1x10^6=1 million. Almost forgot the も(!) So “more” or “also”.
    *のに Hmmm… Maybe the のwent with the past tense very to make it -ing form. But then what did this に go with?

THIS IS STILL NOT CORRECT, BECAUSE I DIDN’T DEAL WITH THE FINAL のに and may still be wrong about what ためにrefers to.

1 million yen spent for the surgery for you…

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:woman_health_worker:t4: Ayamadori’s Japanese Capsule:

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In this first instalment of this long requested feature, we discuss ayamadori’s input. So grab a cup of your favorite coffee and jump into the world of Japanese learning.


Terminology:

文節分け:

We got a new expression courtesy of ayanadori inc.
文節【ぶんせつ】means “clause” OR “basic linguistic unit in Japanese Grammar”.
Now that this is out of the way, let’s try again.


しまいました

なっちゃいました is short for なって・しまいました

Let’s scattershot this:
☆しまいました: looks to me like the 〜ます past of しまう.
☆しまう: godan verb with 〜う ending: means “to finish, to stop, to put an end”


もre explanations:

『も』is known as the “inclusive particle”…
BUT 誰も is meant to be interpreted as one 文節: no-one (it means no-one when the verb that follows is in the negative which it is).

This takes care of the second も, what about the first one?:

ⓐ too, also, in addition, as well, (not) either (in a negative sentence)
ⓑ both A and B, A as well as B, neither A nor B (in a negative sentence) (as AもBも)
ⓒ even, as much as, as many as, as far as, as long as, no less than, no fewer than (used for emphasis or to express absence of doubt regarding a quantity, etc.)
ⓓ even if, even though, although, in spite of (often as 〜ても, 〜でも, 〜とも, etc.)

Since it’s a negative sentence, it could be (a) or (b). Here I think it’s ⓑ: neither.

So neither your son nor anyone…


来なく

I was right about 来る meaning “to come”.

I’m not sure what 〜なく is used for here however.

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I was wondering whether 来なくwasn’t a negative adverb “not coming” “not next” “not upcoming” and the verb it modified was “to become” になる. But I don’t see the に

I think you are absolutely correct about the “neither the son nor anybody (nobody)”
I remember the sentence from Duolingo “youのbeer fatherのbeer” is this your beer or your father’s beer?

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I think ため『に』can be a bit misleading if I only approach it with the word “favor” in mind:

Merrimack-Webster:

  • (1) :friendly regard shown toward another especially by a superior

When I look up the word on weblio, I am provided with a bunch of synonyms: sake, interest, good.

So I think here it’s meant to be perceived that the surgery was in his interest as opposed to “the surgery was done as a favor” which I don’t think is the idea here. My take in things anyway.

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23, continued

I think you are on the right track
AはBのために I’m trying to process it in a generic manner. BENEFIT Gonna look up examples

So far this Japanese-Adventure link looks good

My pattern is bad, because the thing which is done for the benefit FOLLOWS

AはBのためにCです
C is done (by A, in this case) for B

Wheels still turning…. ゆくりゆくり

Wasabi discusses ために with のに!!

ゆくり ゆくり

CURSES! My study time is up. Be back in many hours. Sigh

For example:

ケンにために ほんへ(た / ました)。
[I] came to Japan to meet Ken.

(There’s no の here but…)

As you can see, there’s no favor or even benefit here strictly speaking. It’s more akin to a purpose.

:speech_balloon: “I came to Japan (purpose)→to meet Ken.”

I might be wrong here but the speaker could be meeting Ken to tell him he’s fired from the toy factory. While the purpose of going to Japan is to meet Ken, it’s not for his benefit.

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Ayamedori Inc! I like the sound of that :sunglasses:

Bingo! The に in になる is to make the word before it an adverb, but since 来なく is already in its adverb form it’s not needed here.

あなたのため = “for your sake”. The の is there because (pro)nouns connect to nouns with の, similarly to how na-adjectives connects to nouns with な.

Kind regards,
Ayamedori, CEO

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Regarding the Wasabi link, this is where I got the “visiting Ken to Japan” quote, hahaha. I’m glad your other link mentions “purpose” for ために as it comforts me in my interpretation of it.

How can 来る be in an adverb form? What’s the adverbial of “to come”?

EDIT: I think the first message is now a wiki. So edit away!

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来なくなる = “to become so that x doesn’t come”. It’s not really an adverb in English I think? But in Japanese the negative form of verbs works a bit like adjectives, so they have an adverb form too. The non-negative version would be 来るようになる.

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In the negative form こない, the ない is actually an adjective; and as all i-adjectives, it can turn into an adverb by changing final い into く.

I would have never thought about the に in になる being able to be replaced by a なく。

… I suppose it also works for ~たくなる ?

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Well, I’m basing my understanding on the following definition from Sage dictionary:
A word that modifies something other than a noun

So I guess if 来なく modifies なる which is a verb then 来なく is technically an adverb.

What I have trouble wrapping my mind around is how to word “to come” as an adverb. But this: “to become so that x doesn’t come”. is one way I can understand it. It’s not an adverbial form I’m used to.

So what’s this one then? I’m not 100%.

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TBH,

I think it’s more helpful if you think of 〜くなる as a form in Japanese for い-adjectives (its equivalent for な-adjectives would involve になる instead) that has a special translation. For instance, 高くなる=‘to become (more) expensive’. Phrasing the adjective or verb adverbially in English doesn’t work because in English, ‘to become’ doesn’t work with adverbial phrases to describe the new state. In my example sentence, ‘expensive’ is still a regular adjective. Ayamedori’s explanation is exactly what I was about to say:

I mean, I might have used ‘such that’, but you get the idea. It’s about ‘becoming’ or ‘transforming into a state’ where something is the case. So in your sentence:

You get ‘It’s become such that neither his/your son nor anybody (else) comes, huh?’ Just 息子さんも誰もこない would mean ‘neither his son nor anybody else come’. Adding なりました would just mean ‘it has become’. However, phrasing it with なっちゃいました=なってしまいました means that the current situation is unintended or undesired. Thus, a full translation would be something like ‘You’ve ended up with neither your son nor anybody else coming (to see you), huh?’

I’ll handle a few other issues while I’m at it:

First, のに is just ‘even though’. It can sometimes be used at the end of a sentence to express that one’s expectations have not been met, and can thus express a sense of disappointment. I’m not sure if that’s the case here. It’s also possible that the speaker is just saying that something or other that ought to have happened after paying so much for the surgery didn’t happen in the end.

Now, about ため and ために, which are very slightly different… the kanji is 為. Honestly not very important to know, but I can tell you that in Chinese, it’s used to express reasons or purposes. As it happens, that’s how it works in Japanese too. Aのため means ‘because of A’ or ‘for the sake of A’. Basically, A is the reason here. I used to think ‘this structure means A is the cause’, but that’s not true. I say ‘reason’ because it’s a the most general word I can think of. A ‘cause’ is only one possible type of reason. A reason is just a justification of some sort. On the other hand, Aのために means ‘for A’. That translation may not work all the time, but the essential thing to remember is that in this case, A is the purpose. That extra に adds a notion of direction or of aiming for something or other, as it often does in Japanese.

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I like to think of Aに as ‘for A’, and of Aのために as ‘at the intention of A’.

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I guess ‘for the purpose of A’ would have been a bit clearer, but I was talking about the case where A was an object. In @Shannon-8’s sentence, A is a person, so yes, it should be more like ‘for A’s sake’.

I guess that works when A is a person. I’m not sure if ‘at the intention of A’ exists in English (I don’t think it does), but I see what that would be in French. Hahaha. I think it’s a good translation.

I propose @ayamedori or @Jonapedia for 24.

Let’s vote:
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