セーラー服と機関銃🏫🌺 Book Club (Intermediate Book Club) ・ [Started Feb 17]

This book was written by 赤川次郎 in 1978.

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see the previous 赤川次郎 IBC pick - the あなたも殺人犯になれる book club
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Where to purchase

Digital: [Amazon kindle · Amazon kindle Tsubasa edition (more furigana) · Bookwalker · Kobo]
Physical: [Amazon · CDJapan]

Schedule

Week Start Date End point (kindle) End page paperback End quote Page count
Week 1 Feb 17 214 3-18 「いいえ、私、一人でいいんです」 15
Week 2 Feb 24 398 33 マユミはただ何となく気弱な微笑を浮かべて 15
Week 3 Mar 2 585 47 あなたが組長に昇格すればいいじゃありませんか 14
Week 4 Mar 9 771 62 泉がヨロヨロと部屋へ入って来た 15
Week 5 Mar 16 1008 81 泉はドサッと長椅子に腰を据えた (end of section 4) 19
Week 6 Mar 23 1197 96 現実のようには思えなかった [end of 第一章] 15
Week 7 Mar 30 1410 113 ゆっくりダイヤルを回した…… (end of 第二章 section 1) 17
Week 8 Apr 6 1610 128 (end of 第二章 section 2) 15
Week 9 Apr 13 1838 145 黒木はニヤリと笑った(subsection break ) 17
Week 10 Apr 20 2061 164 end of ch2 19
Week 11 Apr 27 2303 184 第三章 end of section 1 20
Week 12 May 4 2476 199 end of section 2 15
Week 13 May 11 2673 215 end of section 3 16
Week 14 May 18 2869 230 end of section 4 15
Week 15 May 25 3066 247 どうやらそれだけが理解できた 17
Week 16 Jun 1 3243 262 End of 第三章 15
Week 17 Jun 8 3451 279 第四章 end of section 1 16
Week 18 Jun 15 3630 292 End of section 2 13
Week 19 Jun 22 3858 309 End of section 3 17
Week 20 Jun 29 4079 326 End of section 4 17
Week 21 Jul 6 4280 341 End of section 5 15
Week 22 Jul 13 4418 363 End of 第四章 22
Week 23 Jul 20 4636 371 Epilogue End of book 7

Vocabulary

Google sheet:
セーラー服と機関銃 vocabulary sheet
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Proper Nouns

Name Hiragana reading Notes Kindle location first mentioned
赤川次郎 あかがわじろう the author cover
尾田医師 おだいし Doctor Oda 24
目高組 めだかぐみ Medaka clan 86
Izumi’s family
星泉 ほしいずみ main character, Izumi 170
酒井好子 さかいよしこ aunt Yoshiko 172
星貴志 ほしたかし main character’s father, Takashi 179
酒井呈一 さかいていいち Uncle (Yoshiko’s husband) 201
知子 ともこ Tomoko (?Izumi’s mother) 211
マユミ - mysterious woman in Izumi’s apartment 348
土田恒美 つちだつねみ Tsunemi, real name of the woman pretending to be Mayumi 1,827
岡崎真由美 おかざきまゆみ The real name of Mayumi, friend of Izumi’s father, photographer. 2,549
Classmates
奥沢哲夫 おくざわてつお Classmate of Izumi, Tetsuo (son of an executive, smart dresser, family expect him home for dinner on time) 251
渡辺周平 わたなべしゅうへい Classmate of Izumi, Shuhei (stocky, bowlegged, loves Judo) 251
竹内智生 たけうちともお Classmate of Izumi, Tomo. (Smart, heading for Tokyo university, wears glasses) 261
和子 かずこ classmate, 433
Schoolteachers
三浦久子 みうらひさこ Miss Miura, teacher 357
保科校長 ほしなこうちょう Headteacher Hoshina 368
Yakuza
健次 けんじ Kenji, Medaka gang member, short, unbalanced (brought the doctor in the car in the prologue), chews gum 555
英樹 ひでき Hideki, Medaka gang member, skinny and unhealthy looking, wears thick glasses 556
たけし Takeshi, Medaka gang member, stocky and overweight 558
佐久間 さくま Sakuma, Medaka second in command, unusually tall (‘beanpole’), in 50s 558
浜口 はまぐち Hamaguchi, local Yakuza chief 1,034
関根 せきね Sekine, head of the Matsunoki clan 2,141
げん Gen, Yakuza henchman in the Matsunoki clan 2,306
つよし Tsuyoshi, yakuza henchman in the Matsunoki clan 2,306
萩原 はぎわら Hagiwara, messenger from a ‘big fish’ 3,211
Other characters
黒木 くろき detective, head of the S section 870
浜口物産 はまぐちぶっさん Hamaguchi trading company 936
野田代議士 のだだいぎし Representative Noda, politician, waiting for Hamaguchi 1,064
岩田 いわた Night watchman at Izumi’s apartment block 1665
関根正明 せきねまさあき Son of Sekine, the head of the Matsunoki clan 2,073
円谷重治 つぶらやしげはる Shigeharu, left name on business card at Izumi’s apartment 2,665
マクシム - Maxim’s [I presume this is a reference to the famous Parisian restaurant] 2,480
三大寺一 さんだいじはじめ Hajime, ‘big boss’, kidnapper of Izumi, nicknamed ‘the fat man’, and ‘Doc’ 3326

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I’m planning to read the kindle version, so unsure how to sort out page numbers for weekly selections. The book has long sections rather than convenient short chapters, so it doesn’t have easy breakpoints.
Any suggestions?

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Thanks for making the thread! Can you post the link in the IBC home thread? Then it will get visibility and people will join the discussion to help choosing the schedule :slight_smile:

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I guess we could just decide in percent depending on how many weeks we want the club to run + a ramping period. The current pick is 16 weeks, before that it has been 16, 17, 14 weeks so somewhere around that.
Then check for each end of the week where does that lead you, if there is a section ending a bit after or a bit before?then choose that as a stop point, otherwise just a sentence around that percentage.
When you have the list of all the week assignments percent / last sentence, maybe if someone has the physical edition they can assist with the actual page numbers.

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I can probably do that, but won’t have the physical copy for a few weeks. Also if anybody plans to read the Aozora full furigana physical book the page numbers in that will be different, because of the illustrations.

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I’d also help but like pm215, I won’t have my hands on a physical copy for 2-3 weeks. My local kinokuniya has to order it from a supplier before they can finish selling it to me. It’s also not guaranteed they’ll be able to get it so I may end up going digital anyway!

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Thanks, that is a good plan. I’ll put together a provisional plan. The kindle edition has “pages” as well as percent, so I can put both, but I don’t imagine the pages will correspond necessarily to a physical edition that people might have.
There are 333 “pages” in the kindle edition - so about 21 pages on average/week if 16 weeks. Would be 22 weeks if we restricted to 15 pages on average per week. I’m assuming that the faster pace would be ok, but what do people think?

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Hm good question, I don’t know if 22 weeks is too long, but the book has 378 real pages against the current pick 288 real pages (according to Natively) so it kind of has to run for longer I guess. I’ll let the more experienced IBC members answer that one!

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21 pages per week with no shorter weeks you can use to catch up seems really hard to me, but then again, I suck.

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The IBC home thread says it aims at an average of 15 pages a week, so averaging 21 would definitely be a pretty big increase over that. I think the last book of this length the club did seems to be コーヒーが冷めないうちに, which was run in 17 weeks for 350 or so pages. Assuming the bunko paperback page count for this book rather than the kindle “page” count, that does suggest to me we should probably aim for more than 17 weeks (maybe 20?). We can always start the schedule at a more relaxed pace and speed up at the end if people are in favour of that once they have a feel for the difficulty level.

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Oh, that one’s on me as I did not pay attention during nominations - usually we aim for books that are not longer than (300-)350 pages :sweat_smile:

I agree with pm that 21 pages on average would be too much, so if you could try for ~15 pages as an initial schedule, that would be good. Probably you can speed up a little towards the end - maybe run a poll after ~10 weeks or so? By that time most people have probably either settled in to the reading style or stopped reading the book…

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As far as I remember you read directly from Bookwalker? That’s the hard way, almost as hard as reading from paperback, I know there’s a bit of a dictionary in Bookwalker but not as good at Yomichan and so easy lookups or whole translated sentences that you can paste in DeepL, which is what I do almost for every word reading from the epub version, that’s why it’s easier for me. Don’t be so hard on yourself :stuck_out_tongue:

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Hm, true. Maybe I should consider switching, if it makes this much of a difference. Where do you get your epubs?

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Buy on Kobo Rakuten instead of Bookwalker. Then it’s possible to get the epub from that, you need to do some internet searching on how, it’s a bit of a gray area as it involves removing a DRM

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I’d recommend having a play with kindle. You can use kindle app on your computer or phone (don’t need an actual kindle, though I think they are really helpful). App is free and if you register an account with amazon jp you can download a sample of the book to see how it works for you. [will need a Japanese physical address when you register - but can just borrow one from a random place in Japan since you are only buying an ebook. Use a different password from any other amazon account you have.
Really easy word look ups and can look up translation of sentences/paragraphs etc

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I use amazon, so maybe I am wrong… But doesn’t Bookwalker have its own dictionary? Is the dictionary that bad?
I really don’t like the dictionary the kindle app uses on my tablet, so I copy the word and look it up in a different dictionary app. It takes only 3 clicks. If the dictionary is the only issue, that should fix it.
Granted, I never used DeepL so no clue how that affects lookups

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one problem is that some automatic dictionaries won’t recognise conjugated verbs - eg in their て form. Don’t know if book walker has that problem.

There are two Japanese dictionaries on Kindle - the JP-JP and JP-En one. I mostly use the JP-EN one to look up readings and then use my favourite Nihongo app/dictionary to look up words.

Worth being aware that there is a copy paste limit on kindle that it is possible to reach if you use it a lot. But you can work around by selecting text to look up online/on wiktionary/share, and the copy the text from the next screen…

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It depends on the device you are using. On iOS, Bookwalker uses the device’s dictionaries (大辞林, among others, which is really good) but on Android you are stuck with Google Translate if I understand correctly.

There are a select few it doesn’t understand (e.g. げ on adjectives, I think) but for verbs it usually understands all the conjugations (at least I don’t remember any glitches there). Sometimes it mistakes ます-stem verbs for the corresponding noun, but one can usually derive the meaning without issues. Also, it seems to be improved over time, e.g. some time ago it did not understand さ on adjectives but now it seems to get along fine with it iirc.

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I’ll probably join in on this one as I previously tried and failed to get into novels with the LN 本好きの下剋上 book club. They were going for a 30 pages/week pace, which was a lot for me at the time, so I’d definitely vote for closer to the 15/week page count.

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Bookwalker doesn’t have a dictionary in the web version at least.

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