セーラー服と機関銃🏫🌺 (IBC) - Week 1

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Week 1 17 February 2024
End page ?18
End point (kindle) 214
End phrase 「いいえ、私、一人でいいんです」。
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セーラー服と機関銃 vocabulary sheet

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Proper Nouns

Name Hiragana reading Notes Kindle location first mentioned
赤川次郎 あかがわじろう the author cover
尾田医師 おだいし Doctor Oda 24
目高組 めだかぐみ Medaka clan 86
星泉 ほしいずみ main character, Izumi 170
酒井好子 さかいよしこ aunt Yoshiko 172
星貴志 ほしたかし main character’s father, Takashi 179
酒井呈一 さかいていいち Uncle (Yoshiko’s husband) 201
知子 ともこ Tomoko (?Izumi’s mother) 211

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How did people find the Yakuza slang in the prologue?

I found most of the rest of the prologue easy to decipher, but found bits like this tricky

俺をごまかそうたってそうはいかねえぞ!
And

「サツの連中なんかにさわらせてたまるか!」

I could work out the meaning of both, but if anyone is able to break these down that would be helpful.

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俺をごまかそうたってそうはいかねえぞ!

I figured it out with this ichi.moe result.

俺をごまかそうたって
No matter how much you try to swindle me

そうはいかねえぞ!
it’s not going to work!

You can also google ようたって and ようったって to read more about it as a grammar point in its own right :grin:

サツの連中なんかにさわらせてたまるか!

サツの連中なんかに
by the likes of the cops (なんか implies disdain)

さわらせて
to let touch (or in a less literal sense ‘to let meddle with’)

たまるか
we will tolerate? (except it’s like a rhetorical question: ‘[do you really think] we would tolerate’)

We won’t let the likes of those cops mess with him!

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thanks! that is really helpful

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Question to those of you who read this book on kindle (mine is an Oasis 10th generation):

When you try to translate more than a single word, do you have problems with language detection and translation?

While reading previous books I had sometimes the error messages below, but with this book I have them almost always. After the first error message I set the language manually to Japanese and get the second error message. When I then switch to other target languages (e.g. French) it eventually works. But for the next translation attempt the errors come up again.

I wish I could set a fixed language for the book I am reading instead of the autodetection of languages. I tried to set the device language to Japanese, but it didn’t help.

And no, it doesn’t depend on the quality of the wi-fi connection.

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I use the kindle app, not a reader unfortunately. However, I also have the same kind of error when translating - I wonder if its a kindle issue in general, or if it has to do with the dictionary used.

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Yes it has been doing it to me also. I think it’s happening to me in other books too as of a week or two ago. So it maybe a kindle issue that’s not specific to the book.

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Same problem here
Occurs on both kindle app and device
Sometimes choosing the language for a second time fixes it. But it is a bit painful

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It can’t be the dictionary. The dictionary is only used for the translation of a single word. If you select a whole sentence the bing translator is used (at least on my device).

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It does seem to be an issue with this book. I just tried it and got a similar error, but when I tried it on another book it worked fine.

You may want to get away from using the translate feature though. You’re better off using the dictionary and figuring out the meaning from there.

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I’m done with the prologue. I’ve tried dipping my toes into the Intermediate Book Club twice before, with a manga and a book, but I fell behind when it was a manga and finished late. And I completely fell off when it was a book. But this time I’m hoping I’ll make it through!

I know that learning to use a Japanese dictionary instead of a JP to EN dictionary is also helpful for improving one’s Japanese, but man, it’s tough! I’ve been trying to use the built in dictionary, but the definitions end up having words I also need to look up :sweat_smile: And while you can select a word in the text to look it up, you can’t select a word in the dictionary pop up to then look that up. I ended up falling back to Jisho most of the time.

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Welcome! and well done on making it through the prologue. (I always find that the first chapter of a new book is the hardest as it takes a while to work out what is going on).
I’d definitely recommend a JP-EN if your device has one. I don’t think there is any shame in that! (The kindle one is quite good, and it has nice context sentences).

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Much easier to read than I was expecting at first. Lets hope it stays that way :smile:

One sentence I had trouble with

… その尻を引っぱたいてばかりいる。

Most of the issues I had was not knowing of the word 引っ叩く, so my brain parsed this as some nonexistent word in たい form :sweat_smile:

Does this part mean “… she does nothing but spank his butt”? I’m sure this isn’t supposed to characterize their relationship as abusive, so is 好子 semi-forcefully encouraging her husband to work hard at his job?

Also, honorable mention of the best page break my tablet has given me so far:

… 父は、親友であり、教師であり、page break 恋人だった。

:eyes: Well that escalated. I wonder if that will be explained later or if I am reading too much into that.

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I’ve read the prologue, relatively slowly, but understood it pretty well.

So far it’s pretty funny.

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Just finished this week relatively easily. So far the book looks promising, I think I have a hunch on how the story for 泉 will unfold from now on.

It’s my second book in the intermediate book club and the second by the same author. Hopefully, I will manage to have enough time for it as I also joined the advanced one two weeks ago and the advanced book is taking me much longer.

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yes, I found that choice of words interesting, and had to look up to see if it could be used platonically (I still don’t know). I’m guessing that it means something like “best friend” here, but maybe we’ll find out something else later…

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Couple of bits in the start of chapter 1 that stumped me

その手腕で、大手の同業者から引き抜きの話が引きもきらなかったが、不自由な大組織を嫌って、会社を動かなかったのである。

I think I finally worked this one out (with a bit of help from online translators). I think 引き抜き followed by 引き切らない was particularly confusing. (Is this a particularly grammatical form, or just a word choice)

派手好きの見栄っぱり、亭主を教授に押し上げようと、その尻を引っぱたいてばかりいる。

Any help with this one?

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I had to re-read that last part a few times because I wasn’t sure I was understanding that correctly haha.

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I gave up on your first sentence. It had so many words that didn’t end up meaning what I expected them to mean that in the end, I just deepled the whole thing and moved on. As for the other:

After looking up some expressions such as 派手好き(の) (flamboyant / attention-seeking) and (見栄っぱり (vain person / show-off), I understood it as something like
(Even though she’s Father’s sister), she’s a flamboyant show-off who does nothing but kick her husband’s ass to push him to become a professor.

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Off to a pretty good start. It’s not like I understood everything perfectly, but I often felt like it was similar enough in style to 殺人犯 so that it felt a little familiar and getting into a new book wasn’t as painful as usual. I got a question, though:

When I read the prologue, I got the impression that his comrades buried 泉’s dad by submerging him in the pond in the doctor’s car. So why does he get cremated in Chapter 1? Did they fish him out or did I misunderstand about the car?

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