God, I was (well, am, I guess) so freaking mad at Subaruās attitude with ććć£ć¼. If she tells you she can only follow the script and you have been told what to say (i.e. the script) just go with it. She just told you that it will work. Youāre on the verge of death why are you fighting her randomly?!
I do agree with you though, I also feel quite fed up with him quite regularly (especially when heās been on an upwards trend, and then suddenly?! Whyyyy), and did in this instance too. Itās gotten better in recent volumes, but that really doesnāt mean you need to read that far if itās č¾ć. Thereās no sense continuing a series when youāre not enjoying it after all. I get fed up, but I still enjoy the overall story and character interactions.
You should be about done with your purchased books after this one?
Yes, thatās exactly my situation. I like the story too much to just drop the series, yet the main character is just too annoying to simply ignore his shenanigans. What kind of ē½°ć²ć¼ć is that.
Iād like to say that my posts tend to be biased here, in the sense that I donāt often post when I like something, but I do make the effort when I am annoyed. So, from an external point of view, you would only observe the times Iām annoyed
I do like the part where I am right now for instance (which is future spoiler for this thread) but Iād rather keep reading than spend much time finding the right thread and organize my thoughts.
Iām possibly a terrible person
Anyway, Iām glad to hear to will get better. Itās already not as bad as a few books back.
Also, yes, I only have 20 pages left. I need to buy volume 12. Then Iām back on track with the club weee. Maybe.
Most people who enjoy ReZero enjoy Subaruās characterization/emotions the most. I never thought of it as a drag (especially in this arc). Yes heās annoying at times, but I see it almost always in character. Subaruās slow but clear transition of temperament over the arcs is my favorite part of ReZero.
So I donāt think itās a ē½°ć²ć¼ć for everyone, is what I wanted to say
For example, in the scene you mentioned
I guess youāre supposed to understand that Beatrice is a very special person to Subaru. They have a complex relationship. She was the one who actually saved him in the mansion arc. To him, having all their interactions being fake because the book told her to do so is not easy to gulp down.
Heās fickle to these kinds of things, add to that the pressure of dying + having a bad checkpoint (that seemingly not a lot people take seriously), I think itās natural that he bursts at times. Itās also clear that even when heās ādoing goodā (at least right now in the arc), heās still only hiding an unstable mental state.
Iām not saying thatās how you should think about it, Iām saying thatās how I see it.
That has been my pov Itās not a good feeling. I was wondering why youāre continuing.
Well, I assumed it was not. At the very least, I would assume a large number of people are fine with the way it is, otherwise the series would not be the way it is.
I was only talking about my point of view. In particular, Re:Zero is very unique for me in the sense that, usually, if I hate something major about a book or series, thereās nothing that can really compensate for it. Conversely, if I really love the plot of a series, thereās usually nothing that I would hate beyond groaning once in a while. Yet, Re:Zero manage that perfect balance of enjoyment (from my point of view) and annoyance (still from my point of view), which is a first.
If I stop reading, I lose the fun, but if I keep reading I have to expose myself to the unfun. Both choices are bad, hence my mention of ē½°ć²ć¼ć . Iām not saying people are not allowed to enjoy the parts I hate I cannot really relate, though.
That being out of the way, Betty
So, my main point is also the second loop, in particular the time when she promised to save him and then went out of her way (and the mansion) to do so. If she was some kind of book programmed robot, she would not have done it in the first place OR she would have always done it. Ergo, she has a lot of leeway (which makes sense, considering the size of the book versus how long she has existed), plus, even if she just follows the book, it doesnāt mean she cannot feel about the stuff that are happening. Like, when she was playing with Puck, was that in the book too? Guess not, but even it was, she obviously felt joy about it anyway.
Anyway, I cannot really relate to him snapping there, but I did relate to Betty going ballistic with her ćć³ć²ć³s. Hopefully Iāll see more of her soon.
Iām sorry about that. I have to say though that having a place to get that anger out my system has really helped my enjoyment of the series, and Iām really happy this club exists and for all of you to be here. That being said, if itās too annoying, feel free to ignore me (or whatever is the name of the forum option to hide a user). I mean it! I think I will still need to release steam in the future, and I donāt think I can promise Iāll be able to keep it down
Iāll try, though.
Weāve probably just looked in different places, but Iād personally say Iāve seen quite a lot of people say that they like the series in general but not necessarily always Subaru, at least outside of the very biggest fans.
And just so Iām not just saying that, my personal opinion is that I donāt necessarily always like the stuff Subaru does(especially earlier in the series, though I think think heās probably not even supposed to be likeable in a least a few of those scenes considering the way theyāre written,) but what I do like is his development and even more so interactions with other characters
And in other completely unrelated news seeing this thread reminds me that I need to go back and actually finish volume 11 now that the book club hasnāt just caught up to but also gotten ahead of where I stopped
Iām glad to hear youāre not just suffering through your back log, then! We do get a somewhat unique, limited perspective of your experience here, haha.
I donāt mind reading your rants about Subaru (I agree with a lot of them), especially now that I know itās just one part of your reading experience. So please do continue!
Bettyy
And oh man, do I agree with you about that Betty scene - he was so obviously running with his first thought, or maybe with the worst possible option he could think of at that time. This aspect of his, where he just gets stuck in a way of thinking and canāt even consider anything else, is the one that annoys me the most when reading. Itās a very human condition, but he just takes it to such extremesā¦
Not at all, I donāt mind. I was under the impression that you werenāt enjoying it at all. With what you just explained, I really donāt mind. You shouldnāt feel pressured if you want to release steam. I just didnāt want you to go on with this if it was causing you nothing but pain
Thatās what I meant. I didnāt mean I never disliked his actions, everyone did. He takes a lot of bad decisions pre arc 4. With ācharacterizationā I meant more his development throughout the arcs, not that he always takes the right path. Disliking his actions doesnāt equate to feeling constantly annoyed by him to the point of unenjoyment, is what I also wanted to say.
Summary
It is extreme, he has all this pent up pressure from all his deaths and the realization that Beatrice might not have been helping him out of her good heart
I canāt help but find his reaction, especially in this scene, perfectly depicted, to be honest. I canāt see how anyone can fault him.
On the other hand, I also love the ćć³ć²ć³ thing just as much.
Welcome to the usual show Icefang agree with Mrahhal and disagree with Naphthalene
I understand why some people may hate Subaru but I like him. I do prefer a more intelligent and epic character but he feels so real. I donāt find his emotion or character development to be a drag. There is just no way he can make all the good decisions under the pressure he is in. He also needs to do thing fast and in his opinion, he canāt trust other. Easy to understand when every time he asks for help everyone ignores him or asks why do they gain. He also feels responsible when someone is hurt when helping him. Especially true with Rem.
same.
I heard that too.
I think I heard that somewhere. Donāt remember the why but I think I see it somewhere.
Itās been such a long time since there was this much conversation here T.T
Since weāre on the subject, and this thread was empty in the first place, and since I forgot to comment on that in the reply to @Ditto20, Iāll comment now
CR Poll 2016
Here is the biggest ReZero Crunchyroll poll in 2016, 20,000 people in 100 countries:
And this is in 2016, right after S1 concluded. His popularity only increased in S2.
What I found funny (I remember) about this poll is that the CR article author himself was confused as to how Subaru got number 2 (this feeds into the point Iām making in the last paragraph of this comment).
Official LN poll 2019
Subaru got 3rd place, only behind Rem and Emilia, even beating Beatrice whoās usually a big contender in character polls.
In Kono Light Novel ga Sugoi!, Subaru got top 10 characters in 2 consecutive years. In 2017 he got 4th place, getting ahead of even Hikigaya Hachiman from Oregairu (another fav of mine btw) who got 1st place so many times they had to put Oregairu in hall of fame.
I put more effort into this than I wanted to at first, but itās fine! Itās for Subaru.
Regardless of all of this, you will find lots of people who hate Subaru, itās a popular show. 99.99% of the time, if they donāt like ReZero, itās mainly because they hate Subaru. And usually they canāt fathom why other people would even like his character. Thatās fine. But most fans of the series -especially in and after arc 4- have him as a favorite (again, not because what he does is always right, but because they enjoy the well written human character). And from what Iāve seen after the latest arc, it only keeps on increasing.
Thank you for attending my useless trivia-based TedTalk.
I like these kinds of trivia. Never thought he was that high. Rem is number one which means my ship is the correct one. Take that Naphthalene my ships are always right.
Never expect him to beat Hachiman thought. I prefer Hachiman over Subaru not gonna lie.
Which coincidentally enough turned out to be almost exactly at the start of this week (just five pages before, which Iāve read now)
Guess Iāll try to actually remember to comment after finishing each part to help out with that a tiny bit, starting with this one after I finish it! (I guess youāll notice if I actually remember based on if Iāve posted again in this thread within the next day or two )
For something completely unrelated to everything else in this post, the discussion in this thread made me think about what kinds of characters the protagonists of other stuff I like are, and thatās how I realised itās just not re:zero ā almost all the light novels I like and have read a significant amount of have very divise protagonists (but theyāre also all very different, so not just an army of Subarus or something)
Iām glad to hear youāre not just suffering through your back log, then! We do get a somewhat unique, limited perspective of your experience here, haha.
Itās a very human condition, but he just takes it to such extremesā¦
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