ドラゴンボールSD (Dragon Ball SD) · Volume 2 Discussion 🐉

[Phryne]

Volume 2 discussion thread

Start date: 6th February

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Schedule

Start date	Chapter	Page numbers	Page count
6 Feb	10 - 大攻防! クリリンVSジャッキー	2-22	20
13 Feb	11 - 大決勝戦‼	23-40	18
20 Feb	12 - 天下一武道会大騒然!!!	41-58	18
27 Feb	13 - ドラゴンボール争奪戦	59-78	20
6 Mar	14 - 対決! 忍者ムラサキ	79-98	20
13 Mar	15 - マッスルタワーの最期!!	99-116	18
20 Mar	16 - 探そうぜ! ドラゴンボール	117-134	18
27 Mar	17 - 攻撃開始! ブルー将軍	135-152	18
3 Apr	18 - 海賊の亡霊あらわる!?	153-181	19
10 Apr	Bonus	183-187	5

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[Micki]

No poll…?

Thanks for organising us for volume 2 Phryne! So, last volume I read quite slowly breaking down each sentence as I went. This volume different plan, I’m reading the whole chapter through first without looking anything up. It’s more fun that way and hopefully boosts the comprehension in a different way.

Now going back through looking up the words I didn’t know. You definitely need to go back to the original and read chapters 44 and 45 to properly understand what happens in the Goku vs Namu match!

[Phryne]

Oops, forgot about it because I had to take it out of the volume 1 post, due it breaking the whole post. I’ll add one now

[mchinellato]

That’s my approach to DB as well.
I read the whole chapter first (and circle any words I don’t know). The I re-read it translating expressions that I don’t know. So, I challenge myself to get things from context and enjoy the story, then it is study time.

After I do all that I’ve been reading the original in parallel (just for fun).
And with any extra time in the week I re-read the chapter, this helps me remember more vocabulary in the long term and I start reading sentences more “fluidly” (e.g: expressions that don’t always make complete sense the first time, start making sense).

So a mix of study time with fun time

[Micki]

Couple of questions:

Page 9 and 20 - ジャッキーチュンsays やむをえん - I think this is やむ終えない (cannot be helped, unavoidable)?

Page 20 bottom panel - ジャッキチュン says: とっておきの技をだすとするか…悟空なら死にはせんじゃろ…

He’s saying he’s going to use the attack he keeps in reserve, and because it’s Goku he doesn’t think it will kill him. What do you think the verb is at the end? Maybe は as a contrast particle followed by せん (しません)? Maybe はせん is the verb but I can’t work out what the dictionary form is?

[mchinellato]

I am late to the party and only read the chapter quickly, but haven’t translated it! The first one is definitely やむを得ない。

The second one… I was also not sure yet…

By the way, does anyone have a link/resource to “old man” speaking in manga? I sometimes still get confused with some of those changes like て form becoming と。Etc. Anything will help

[Phryne]

@Micki

せん (しません)

I think it’s that again. We saw it in volume 1 too.

死に - death, dying // は - as for // しません - he won’t do
➝ He won’t die.

I am more confused about とするか. Is this a supposition? ‘Suppose I send out the ace up my sleeve…?’

Page 11

I think 終わらす is a contracted causative. But here too we see とするか. I feel like it must be a grammar point…?

Page 20

What is 考えおったな? I get the gist of it; he was expecting paper but got rock. But I don’t quite get this part.

@mchinellato

By the way, does anyone have a link/resource to “old man” speaking in manga? I sometimes still get confused with some of those changes like て form becoming と。Etc. Anything will help

This might help:

Quick Contraction Reference

I thought I would write a quick reference to help people understand some contractions which I have found to be incredibly common in popular media and casual speech, but which most textbooks tend to gloss over or ignore. My hope is that I can save some of you from spending as much time as I did being puzzled over some of these. This isn’t a guide on when or how to use these forms (although as a general rule most of them are casual speech, some of them are only seen in fiction), it’s just a refer…

[Phryne]

Week 2

Start date: 13 February
Pages: 23-40

How is the reading going?

• I am reading along
• I am catching up
• I am dropping this book 🙅🏼

[Micki]

Getting harder to look up some of these grammar points. Might be time to buy one of those dictionaries of Japanese grammar! I’d read とする as “to try” but checking the grammar that’s supposed to follow volitional form. Is おった the past form of おる - to be? Something like - “that was a thought” or “that was an idea”.

Chapter 11

First page (23) - ki has always been written as chi in my diary English translation, I never clicked it was simply 気!

We then have two non Wanikani kanji in 萬國驚天掌. Both seem to be old fashioned kanji not used much now. 萬 seems similar to 万, and 國 seems similar to 国.

Here’s more information on this attack - apparently the name is a play on words of an old Japanese game show.

[Phryne]

@Micki

Getting harder to look up some of these grammar points. Might be time to buy one of those dictionaries of Japanese grammar! I’d read とする as “to try” but checking the grammar that’s supposed to follow volitional form.

I asked on HiNative and this is the response I got:

「とするか」は、「と決断するか」「と始めるか」みたいな、何かをスタートする気分を、少しかっこよく言う言い方です。「か」は、軽い強調ですね。

ビールを飲むとするか。
宿題をやるとするか。
もう10時だから、起きるとするか。

どれも同じ感じですね。キビキビした感じではなく、ノロノロやる感じです。

To me that sounds like it is comparable to the volitional, I guess.

[Phryne]

@Micki

Here’s more information on this attack - apparently the name is a play on words of an old Japanese game show.

I love the 掌・ショー pun!

Page 32

I tried to figure out what the deal with でない is. My theory is that it’s ではない with the は left out (but why leave it out?) and that it functions as an informal imperative.

Page 33

What is いっ at the end here?

[Phryne]

Week 3

Start date: 20 February
Pages: 41-58

How is the reading going?

• I am reading along
• I am catching up
• I am dropping this book 🙅🏼

[Micki]

@Phryne

でない

Not sure about the grammar. I also read it as an imperative - “don’t panic”

@Phryne

いっ

Presumably again an imperative from context. Googled japanese imperatives and found lists of lots different ways to form an imperative, but none of them matched this one!

Chapter 12

Another fun chapter. Still loving the way they break the fourth wall, and that awareness that they are in an SD version of the comic (bottom panel page 46).

Funny in the original the host asked Goku to put some clothes on to finish the match, but in this version he carries on naked to the end!

I like the word on page 52: たらふく - (eating or drinking) to one’s heart content - literally the kanji are “codfish belly” - a dangerous word to use around Goku!

I couldn’t quite figure out the name of the restaurant on page 52 - “Delicious 菜館”. At first I wondered why Goku was being taken to a vegetarian restaurant! Closest I could find was a famous ramen restaurant chain originating in Kyoto called Shinpuku Saikan (新福菜館).

[mchinellato]

Sorry, I had lots of work going on in the last 10 days and I fell behind. I think I am just going to skim chapter 2 and catch up back to chapter 3!

[Phryne]

@Micki

I couldn’t quite figure out the name of the restaurant on page 52 - “Delicious 菜館”. At first I wondered why Goku was being taken to a vegetarian restaurant! Closest I could find was a famous ramen restaurant chain originating in Kyoto called Shinpuku Saikan (新福菜館).

That’s cause it’s Chinese, not (really) Japanese! Guess it makes sense cause the Dragon Ball universe was inspired by Journey to the West.

[Phryne]

Week 4

Start date: 27 February
Pages: 59-78

How is the reading going?

• I am reading along
• I am catching up
• I am dropping this book 🙅🏼