Umineko: When They Cry 🔎 🧙 - Visual Novel Informal Club

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What’s this?

This is the home thread for the the visual novel Umineko: When They Cry. See the visual novel home thread if you need an explanation of visual novels themselves. Umineko is a mystery(?), or maybe a fantasy(?) surrounding a series of deaths on a wealthy family’s private island.

Why do this?

If you trust the opinions on the internet, Umineko is special. It’s consistently rated as one of the finest among all visual novels, and is the kind of work people seem to spend the rest of their lives thinking and talking about. I’ve heard several people praising it as one of the best pieces of writing they’ve ever come across, period.

Format

A few of us have been chatting about reading this together for a long time, and having them onboard is the reason I’m confident making this. This is going to be entirely informal and self-paced, perhaps people can roughly pace themselves off others if they desire, but I believe any tight structure is doomed to fall apart, because Umineko is LONG. JPDB puts it at 2,255,029 characters, meaning at the VN club’s normal 25k per week it takes just short of 2 years. There’s no sugarcoating that going in; seeing this through is likely to be the biggest commitment you ever make with a piece of media in this language.

We’ll work through the details, but threads can likely be split by part because Umineko comes in 8 parts (4 question and 4 answer arcs). If desired, because the parts are obviously individually quite long, we can further divide based on the in-game days.

Umineko’s structure

There are no split routes or choices to make. The first 4 arcs are contained in the “Question Arcs” game and the last 4 are in the “Answer Arcs” game. Note that, with the (HIGHLY recommended) modding, the screenshots on Steam are not representative of how the game will actually look.

Steam - Question Arcs
Steam - Answer Arcs

Setup

Unfortunately, to get the best experience, Umineko requires a bit of setup. The VN has had several releases over the years, some adding alternate art styles and voice acting, the latter of which is especially too fantastic to miss. If playing on the PC (steam) version, the 07th mod can be used, and walks you through its mostly automatic setup.

Texthooking CAN be made to work perfectly, but requires additional setup and won’t play nicely with the vanilla PC release out of the box. Reach out and we can help (if going this route, reach out before installing 07th mod because it requires something else) :heart:

Discussion rules

Please hide all spoilers and do your best to indirectly describe at what point they are a spoiler for, since we are going at independent paces and collapsing a lot of text into single threads.

That aside, just be nice! Feel free to ask about the language, and please do speculate on the plot and give your thoughts about the characters, events, and themes. This work is really made to provoke thought and even this sort of discussion. The writer himself describes these works as “games” where grappling with the mystery is your goal.

Discussion Threads

Episode 1: Legend of the Golden Witch

Are you planning to read Umineko with the club?
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Lol, we’re doing it.

@fallynleaf @javerend and I have talked for a while about trying to do this together. Through a bit of messy communication I have a small head start already with about 35k characters read, before going back to committing to discussing with others this way, but if we have some participation and it seems preferable I might be able to delay for a bit and sync with others more. But we’re probably going to end up a little disconnected on progress while discussing anyway, and that’ll be fine!

Should’ve committed to posting this a little in advance, but I’ve been dealing with uncertainty from health problems (that I’m hopefully finally just about past) and it’s been a little messy for everyone.

I’ve actually read up through a little bit of part 5 in the past in English, a few years ago now. Just ended up getting distracted and never finishing, but I loved what I read and have been itching to get back to this. I finally think my Japanese is fine enough to do so. It’ll be long, but I’m personally extremely committed to seeing it through.

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Wow, cool! I definitely want to read it, so if there’s a club, count me in :slight_smile: will just have to finish ISLAND first, maybe still a month or so.

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Can you add some links to the main thread? What’s the difference with Question Arcs and Answer Arcs? Which one is first?

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Yeah, the full thing is contained in both. The Question Arcs are the first half, and the Answer Arcs are the second.

Yeah I debated about links, I’ll post the Steam ones anyway. The VN can be troublesome to texthook and the like, but I wanted to see if people were jumping in because the 3 of us already here have sorta worked through it.

I should probably add a bit about the essential mod(s), as well…

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IT’S HAPPENING!!

I will be progressing at probably a slower pace than most but I am excited to get started hopefully soon!

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Actually make it two, will be reading the last episode of Flowers in June so I want to finish that first too!
But if you guys are going to be at it for the next two years, shouldn’t be a big issue :grimacing:

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Ok, added Steam links, a short explanation of the order of the two games, and also some words about necessary setup. Can’t forget that, the modding is essential.

Unfortunately it’s a little more work to start than a VN you just download and start up, but once it’s all ready it should behave perfectly from then on.

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I am already set up and modded and ready to go, it’s exciting to finally feel like this might actually be happening :laughing:

Trying to tie up a few loose projects before jumping in, but yeah. with how long of a project this is probably going to be, plenty of time to kinda fall in and out over the long term. But at least for the beginning parts it’d be nice to have a lil bit of cohesion so we can discuss and ask questions and all that

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Yeah, I think I’m gonna make a little progress into the first arc, probably to a point I remember where the intrigue kicks up, then start posting about my thoughts and take a little time reading other stuff while I see how it goes for everyone else.

Very excited to see people react to this once it starts up.

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Definitely interested on getting it to work perfectly:) can you explain here or do you mean to reach out on Discord?

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Already messaged you there haha

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Ah thanks :laughing: I’m at work and then leaving for a week, so I will only see it next week! I’ll test then!

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I’ve always been curious about this game so I’m thinking of joining in. I usually play games on the switch though so does anyone know if the new switch version that just came out has the same content?

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Ooh guys, actually I would like to play Hirugashi before I play Umineko…
Have you all already read Hirugashi or are you skipping it?

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I was so disappointed by the anime that I’m absolutely skipping the VN :joy:

The problem is that it’s presented as a mystery…

but in the end everything is explained by magic :tophat::magic_wand:

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I didn’t even realize that existed! With it being JP only I was struggling a little to find good info on it, but based on a promo video I found it looks at though it has the PS3 sprites and the voice acting, which is what I’d personally recommend looking out for, so I think it seems like a good version based on that.

I’ve read Higurashi before (in English); I believe Javerend and fallyleaf are coming straight into Umineko first. The two are mostly unrelated; people say they are a few references and the like but ultimately answers online seem to say that Umineko isn’t going to spoil Higurashi. Higurashi is extremely good and I’d love to reread it sometime, but it’s nearly as long so I don’t want to put off Umineko for another year or two, heh.

Yeah I don’t think I’ve heard a single good thing about the anime from anyone. Sounds like it has to condense the plot down to the point of just ruining it.

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There’s only so much you can do to condense a 100 hour game story into a 4-8ish hour anime season, especially in games that give you a lot of choice. Kyoto animation pulled some miracle adapting Air and Clannad and having them be good, but outside of that I feel like I only hear horror stories about how anime butchers the experience of the source material

I’ve also heard that umineko is pretty independent from higurashi. Everything I’ve seen says you’re fine to play them in whichever order you want, but that playing them both will enhance them both. So I’m not too worried about jumping in to umineko first

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For sure. The Higurashi anime has a lot of fans, though I tend to hear from readers of the visual novel that they think what it cut out ruined a lot of the thematic weight and that it reveled too much in the horror and violence, while anime-only watchers are more likely to have positive impressions.

Haven’t seen it myself so I’m exclusively relating what others have said, but I can definitely see how that would happen because there are a lot of weighty themes tackled but it’s hard to see the anime having the time to get to the sort of depth Higurashi achieves.

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Nice, thanks for looking into that! I’ll probably order that version and be down to join in whenever it comes.

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