ホリミヤ ・ Horimiya 🎀 👓 Week 4 Discussion Thread (Absolute Beginner Book Club)

Welcome to Week 4 of the Horimiya book club!

We are reading as part of the Absolute Beginner Book Club!

Week 4 September 16 2023
Pages 22 - 31 (20 - 29 for physical copies)
Chapter 1
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Vocabulary

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Handwritten text this week

Note: Physical book pages are listed in parentheses.

Pg. 22 (20)

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宮村: フィギュア集めもしてないし…

Imagined 宮村: 萌えーっ

Pg. 23 (21)

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Both: 中間テスト

Top: 語

Bottom: 数学II

Pg. 25 (23)

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堀: そうそう取れないわよこんなん

Pg. 26 (24)

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堀: コホンッ

Pg. 28 (26)

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テヘペロ

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こつぜん

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宮村なら今走ってったぞ

Pg. 31 (29)

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由紀: 速ええ!!

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Going off of the statistics from the last 2 weeks, it seems like most people are doing alright! This is the first week where the pace is picking up a little bit. We will be reading 10 pages instead of the usual 5. I will post a poll towards the end of the week, asking about the increase in pace, and how everybody is handling it, but please, feel free to let me know in your comments about how the pace is treating you and if we need to ramp up a little bit slower. It will create some awkward break points, but it’s most important that everyone in the club is able to keep up!

You got this, everyone! Keep up the questions, and all the great work! :muscle:

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I usually don’t try to precisely translate sentences and focus more on the overall idea, but I’ve got time today so am going to try some more literal translations of the first page (a couple of things I’m unsure about in bold - would be great if anyone knew the answer to them :sweat_smile: )

p22 (20)

宮村が家に来るようになって わかったことがある
Miyamura started coming to my house, here’s what we know

漫画は好きだけど 「萌えー」とまでは
I like manga, but not to the point of “moe” (“but only up until moe”)

別にオタクという訳ではない
It’s absolutely not the conclusion that he’s an otaku (not sure what という is doing there?)

ケーキ持って来たよ
I come with cake!

家はケーキ屋らしい
(his) house is cake-shop-like (not sure why らしい is used rather than just だ?)

ああ…あけた時はやっぱ痛かったなぁ…
Ahh… The time I opened it (piercing it) was painful as expected… (not sure why な is there, isn’t that a kind of self-reflecting particle? Is it to show that he’s remembering to himself?)

ピアスは中学の時に安全ピンであけた
He opened his piercing during middle school with a safety pin

そしてあまり勉強は得意ではない
And, he’s not very good at studying (what’s the function of あまり there, “not much”?)

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These weeks go by so fast HAHA guess I’ll get started on the next section.

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Alright, I’ve also done the first page.

page 22

宮村が家に来るようになって
Miyamura began to come to my house

(Wasn’t sure about the meaning of ように here)

わかったことがある
There are things (I) understood.

漫画は好きだけど
I like manga, but…

もえー とまでは
Not to the point of “moe”

別に オタクという訳ではない

  1. Not particularly “otaku”

ケーキ持って来たよ
I brought cake. (Lit. I brought cake and came back)

家はケーキ家らしい
2. House appears to be a cake house?

( I hadn’t seen 家 as a suffix and pronounced や before so not sure about this one. Also not sure whose house is being talked about.)

あけた時はやっぱ痛あった
The time when (they) were opened was painful, as expected

ピアスは中学時に安全ピンであけた
3. He opened his piercings with a safety pin in junior high.

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page 22

ようになる is actually it’s own grammatical structure, but you got the meaning!

I think it’s probably playing on ケーキ屋, which is read や. His house/family is a cake shop/cake household (we’re listing things we learned about 宮村, so it’s referring to his family/household)

The らしい here is indicating its conjecture. “It seems his family runs a cake shop” or maybe “it appears”, this is a good one to know! It comes up a lot in conversation (also だろう) to soften sentences and make them less assertive.

I think the な here is probably kind of like a ね, just another way of softening what he’s saying,

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Page 23

(Souta in his lap, how cute!)

あまり勉強は得意ではない

He is not very good at studying.

堀さん すごい ほとんど 90天台

Hori-san, cool!! Almost 90 points!

別に

I took this as like a ‘meh’

てか

普通メガネで 大人しい人は 勉強出来るんじゃないの

Wouldn’t an obedient person with normal glasses be able to study?

(Haha this one was kinda long, not sure if it’s right. I assume she’s talking about how his ‘school’ look makes it seem like he would be studious)

そうなの

Is that so?

これ何

What’s this?

期末テストだよ

It’s the end of term test.

赤点だと追試なんだ

If there’s a failing grade, you have to retake the test.

(I’m also not sure about this one. だと and なんだ tripped me up. Is なんだ just なのだ?)

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Oh, that actually makes me feel better. I was sitting there so confused like ‘he becomes… coming to my house’

Ah, a joke.

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@Hubbit200

P22

Think of it as separating out or indicating the earlier bit is a clause which affects the later grammar in the sentence.
別に /「おたく」という / 訳ではない
Not really / “An otaku” / can’t conclude that
He’s not really an otaku.

You got it, it’s specifically the あまら~ ~ない usage.

@soggyboy:

p22

You got the over meaning right, but the literal is 来る, to come - so ‘I brought cake (and came here)’ is more accurate.

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Page 23

You got the general meaning. In this case ‘obedient’ doesn’t seem like the right translation. Quiet would fit better, I think.

Yes, you got that right. Slight nuance: There’s no indication of “have to retake the test”, just that there is is makup exam. What I got from that is that he’s not worried about failing this one. “It’s (just) an end of term test. If you fail, there’s a makeup exam.”

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Maybe he should be worried with those grades!

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Ah, oops, that comes from having most recently seen the verb + 来る construction being used for leaving home for an errand and then coming back.

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Alright, time for the next page !

Page 24

The first parts seem easy enough.

創太には
まだわかん
ないわよ

“Souda doesn’t get any of this yet”. (Litt. “it’s not understandable by him”)

わーかーるー
もーん !

“Yes I can !”. I believe the もん is short for ものだ ?

じゃこれは?
xの範囲を
求めよー

“well, is that so ? [it] asks for the area of x”

ええっくす...?

“x ???”

そら見なさい
こんなのは
基本中の基本
なのよー

"Pay attention to that. These kind of thing is the basics of basics [plus なのよ for emphasis]

[Miyamura laughs, dramatic pause and…]

基本中の基本が
出来てない人が
笑ってんじゃない
わよ..

That’s trickier… “People who don’t master the very basics”… don’t laught / can’t laught / are no laughting matter ?
Not sure about that てんじゃない… He’s obviously making fun of her seriousness (note the わよ which I think is something she would say, but not him)

だって赤点
取らなきゃ進級
出来るんだよ!?

Context makes me think it’s something like “because you must not have failing grades to advance to the next class”. But something is missing between 取らなきゃ and 進級…

知ってるわよ!!

“That, I know !” with another わよ again, I think he’s using it to tease her a bit more.

Looks like now that her little brother likes him, he can afford to be more relaxed. :sweat_smile:

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Also did page 24 :man_dancing:

page 24

創太には まだわかんないわよ

Souta doesn’t understand yet

わかるもーん

I ~do~ understand!!

じゃこれは? Xの範囲を藻求め

Well, what’s this? Find the range of x.

そら見なさいこんなのは 基本中の基本なのよ

Now look here, this is the basics

基本中の基本が出来てない人が笑ってんじゃないわよ

A person who is not able to do the basics can’t laugh, you know

だって赤点 取らなきゃ進級 出来るんだよ

If you don’t earn a failing grade, (you won’t?) be able to promote (move to the next class)

Looks like me and @simboubou had trouble with the same sentence. I keep thinking it should be the ‘if you don’t x… (that would be bad)’ construction, but wouldn’t it be if you don’t earn a passing grade? Not failing grade?

知ってるわよ

I know!!!

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Ever started to make a post, think you did it, and then come back hours later to realize you haven’t?.. Oops. Sorry, y’all.

Pg. 24

I’m relatively certain the the わよ sentences are Hori speaking, not Miyamura making fun of her.

She’s telling him that a person who can’t grasp the basics shouldn’t laugh.

Miyamura then says:

To me, this reads:

“If I don’t get a failing grade, then I can advance to the next class!”

He’s being defensive a bit, trying to say he can at least understand enough not to fail.

And the 知ってるわよ reads to me as Hori essentially sniping back, “Oh, so you know!” Basically like a, “So you get it; why are you failing then?”

I could be misreading the scene a bit, though. It trips me up just a little bit as well.

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I stumbled on the same panel in page 24 too. It’s also hard to know who’s talking sometimes when they don’t indicate it very well with the speech bubbles.

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I see why you might think that, but I don’t think contextually it makes sense he ‘left to go get cake and came back’ - he probably just came with cake. (I guess you could think of it as ‘he came back again, this time with cake’. Anyway, it’s not important.

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More like, “I held the cake and came here.”

持つ means “to hold, to carry” - it’s the addition of the 来る that expands the meaning to “brought”. The whole assemblage has its own entry in Jisho.

On a similar vein, 持って行く = hold [the thing] and go = take [the thing].

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Some bits and pieces, hopefully I’m not too wrong on these.

p24

The わよ sentence ender can be regarded as feminine so you will often find it (in lit especially) being used to indicate the female speaker. (That said, don’t rely on it only, since there’s other usages and it’s also Kansai弁). So the sentences ending in わよ are probably Hori’s.

It’s the ~んじゃない form, so yes, can’t laugh/don’t laugh (I would personally translate it as ‘shouldn’t laugh’, though that’s from a natural english perspective and isn’t strictly speaking implied in the dialogue)

I agree with @MrGeneric’s translation, but this one is a bit tricky, so let’s break it down.

だって / 赤点取らなきゃ / 進級できるんだよ?!
Because (as long as) / if I don’t get a failing grade / I can advance to the next year of school?!
“If I don’t get a failing grade, then I can advance to the next class!”

Here’s the slightly tricky bit: 赤点取らなきゃ, or more specifically, 取らなきゃ

Most of the time the Xなきゃ ending, as the casual form of ~なければ、means [have to do X]. But the reason it means [have to do X] is because there’s an implied ~は いけません or a ~ならあい following it. Eg:

  • 行かなければいけない (more formal)
  • 行かなきゃ (more casual, dropped the second part entirely because it’s implied)
  • “I have to go”
  • (literally) “Not going (can’t happen)” .

In this case the second implied part isn’t really there, because Miyamura named his own consequence: 進級できるんだ. So you just negate the verb.

  • 取らなきゃ = “To not (pick up, get, obtain)”
  • 赤点取らなきゃ = “Don’t get a failing grade”

You can see it as the ‘possible consequences’ usage in Maggie-sensei’s breakdown.

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I don’t think I’ve ever seen a male character use わよ in a manga, so I think it’s indeed safe to assume the speaker is female in most cases.

Also keep an eye out for sentence-ending particle usage as a character's speech pattern in manga.

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