I started last week very slowly as I realise it’s gonna be a challenge at my lowly level. But…Just had a look at my first ever WK book club vocab list Woo yeah! So hello and thank you. You had me hooked at 相棒
I’m with you. Definitely going to be hard at a low level, but we’ll figure it out somehow! Usually have Sun/Mon/Tues off of work, so I’m probably going to run the vocab through Kitsun for my work week, and then hopefully should have a better grip on the words being used when I read and just need to find out HOW they’re used. (That and all the other words/grammar not included with the vocab!)
Feel free to ask any questions you may have regarding grammar, I’ll be sure to be doing that!
In my case, I’ll ask about these lines:
Bulma, at the beginning of page 9, second bubble:
The way I breakup the sentence is:
食べきれない = more than one can eat
ほどの = extent of
イチゴ = strawberries
っていう= it is said, quotation
の = turns the previous sentence into a noun
も = ??
すて= to throw away, to discard, to give up
がたい = difficult to
けど = but
やっぱり = also, even so
ステキな = great
恋人 = lover
赤糸で結ばれた = to be tied together by red thread = to be married
運命の人 = person of fate
All put together would be:
It is more than I can eat amounts of strawberries, discard that (difficultly) but even so a destiny person I marry a great lover.
Then I try to interpret that into something that actually makes sense in my head as:
(My wish is (from the previous bubble)) More strawberries than I can eat. Actually discard that, to marry a great lover I am destined to.
Final speech bubble by Bulma on page 9: いいのいいの最後にちょっとだけかしてくれれば
I believe I have an okay understanding of each individiual component of the sentence, but not so much when put together. This is what my rough guess is:
いい = good
の = emphasis
いいの = same as before
最後に = latest, most recent, no sooner than, once, right after (ichi moe giving me the last translations)
ちょっと = a bit
だけ = merely, just
か = turns the previous statement in a question to comment on
してくれれば = if you do for me
good, good, latest a bit just if you do - which, into more natural English:
It’s alright, it’s alright, if you do it for me, it’ll be just for a bit.
I do get the meaning the sentence it’s trying to convey, I just can’t seem to translate it in my head into something that makes sense. Or like, I do, but I feel like I’m doing a big leap betweent the first step translation and grammatical English translation.
It looks like in both cases, even though I get what the sentence is trying to tell, I can’t seem to put it together into a grammatical English sentence.
Yeah, I found that one tricky as well.
This is what I made of it.
‘strawberries of a more than one can eat extent’
➝ more strawberries than one can eat
This grammar point, I think. You’ll see in the example sentences that you often wouldn’t really translate it in its own right.
The particle, can be used to emphasise the largeness of something: ‘as much as’.
This grammar point, ‘difficult to throw away’.
And then for the rest of the sentence I think she leaves out a verb like “I should ask”.
As much as ‘all you can eat’ strawberries is hard to say no to, but …
I should nevertheless [ask] “a great lover!”, “a person of fate bound [to me] by a red thread”.
And then I guess これよね is an emphatic afterthought? Like “that’s [what I should ask]”.
いいの I read as a dismissive ‘yeah yeah, sure’.
最後 means ‘end’, so 最後に would be ‘at the end’. She means when they have the other Dragon Balls and they are ready to summon the dragon, only then will she ask to borrow it ちょっとだけ, only for a little while.
かして is one word, from 貸す, ‘to lend’. So 貸してくれる would be more or less ‘lend to me’.
As for the ば-form being used, it’s not meant as a pure conditional (‘if you lend it to me’), but more as a request: she is leaving out いい, so ‘it’d be good if you lent it to me’.
Sure, sure, you just need to lend it to me for a little moment at the end.
Thanks for that explanation!
It’s true that a verb like “ask” must be omitted. I wasn’t aware of the use of the も particle in that way.
最後に as “at the end” and 貸してくれる as “lend to me”. Make the sentence very clear!
Start date: 7th November
- I am reading along
- I am catching up
- I am dropping this book
I’ve noticed that there has not been a lot of discussion. I hope that is because everyone has found the first few pages very doable. If that is not the case for you, please feel free to ask questions about pages 2-17!
Finally, I had to dig for this thread. I’m way ahead but will go back through. Yay!
I’m definitely a little bit behind. I read the first sentence with the character introductions and it seemed way above my level so I kinda stopped for the week. Just looked ahead to the actual panels today, and they definitely seem a whole lot easier to comprehend, so I’m giving things another shot! Also went back to that first sentence, and it makes a bit more sense now, especially after having dabbled a little bit with te form.
I’m still a little mystified by one thing though…
Why does this sentence end with a noun? It makes more sense in my head if it was flipped around to be 山奥にシッポの生えた少年が住んでいる. I think that maybe I just don’t understand the grammar for シッポの生えた少年.
It’s a description of Goku, he is descibed as a 少年. The other two verbs form relative clauses:
living in the mountains
a tail grew (note: が can be replaced by の in a relative clause).
So he is a living-in-the-mountains a-tail-grew boy ➝ a boy who lives in the mountains with a tail.
You’ll see this pattern a lot on pages 2 and 3.
Thank you! This is what I was missing! I didn’t know how to describe the phrase in English, but now I’ve got a way to look up more example sentences and grammar notes. I’ve been out of school (particularly English class) for a while, so I don’t remember a lot of grammar terms… It’s kind of funny that Japanese grammar is filling in some gaps in my English grammar knowledge in a way.
This is fun! I love the section jumping on Kintoun. I like the flashes to characters who wouldn’t have appeared for a very long time in the original manga.
Bottom of page 11 - ちょっと！へんなことさわらないでよっ！
I assume this is Bulma talking? Perhaps saying something like “Don’t touch me strangely”
Any thoughts on what ぬわんですって means?
とこ, so I think it’s “don’t touch me in strange places!”?
After some digging I ended up with an explanation that ぬわん is a joking way of saying なん. I am not sure if the joking part fits in here (maybe it’s more of an exaggerated なん here), but なん itself definitely fits the context.
Thank you. “Don’t touch strange places” makes sense - we know Goku is going to be doing a bit of that in his early days to girls!
何 definitely makes sense in context. I was looking at the verb ぬう which didn’t make sense at all!
Start date: 14th November
- I am reading along
- I am catching up
- I am dropping this book
At this rate of discussion, I think we might as well do the whole volume in one thread. Keep it all together in one place
This is the first book I have read with a lot of dialect and I feel like I’m processing some of it ok. Other stuff, yikes I have to think about.
I managed to catch up to the end of the chapter.
I’m having trouble understanding all the elements of this sentence (p. 18), though I believe I have a grasp of its meaning:
くっくっくっ : Jaded network says this could be laughter onomatopoeia
ちょうどいいことに : exactly right → to the thing of exactly right (? maybe こと is referencing the question Bulma asks in the previous panel?)
4つめの : ichimoe seems to have trouble with this one, I think it’s mixing the counter つ with whatever め is supposed to be.
ドラゴンボールまで : up to, ichi moe also says it can mean only, merely → up to the dragon balls
そろっておる : here, to gather, to assemble, not sure about おる.
ではないか : ichi moe suggests this could be isn’t it
Hahaha, that’s exactly right, I have gathered up to 4 dragon balls, isn’t it!
Ha, I struggled with the same sentence! It made more sense once I figured out that A ことに B is a grammar point, where A (often) expresses an emotion caused by B.
Also, 4つめ is ‘the fourth’, because 目 can be used as an ordinal number suffix.
おる is sometimes used instead of いる. It is the humble form, but is also used in some dialects and to denote arrogance.
So I think he means something like “Hehehe, how convenient that you’ve gathered as far as the fourth Dragon Ball, isn’t it?”
Enjoyed chapter 1. I never realised the は in kamehameha was 波. The turtle destruction wave!
Not sure what’s going on with Master Roshi’s back on page 21!
From what we know of that スケベ Master Roshi this probably IS what it means!