What does 落ち mean in this context?

Japanese Language Questions
#1

Recently I’m starting to like Japanese Virtual Youtubers. But sometimes there are things that I don’t understand.

In this case, it’s about this video:


10:17 onwards.

Below is the transcript that I created:

たまき：最初に意識したのがまつりとコラボし始めた時に、「え？この子まつり落ちしたんだ」って思って…

ルーナ：「まつり落ち」ってなんなのら？ちょっと待つのら。なんなのら、「まつり落ち」って。

たまき：ルーナは初配信、すごく可愛らしくて、「なあ」ってなんだろうなと思いつつ、でも可愛いなあ、ルーナは可愛い。アイドルだ。と思って…次の週ぐらいに、まつりと遊んでて、え？？

ルーナ：なんでまつりちゃ先輩と遊んだけど「落ちる」○○（I don’t get this part）なのら？それはちょっと…

たまき：だって、もうさあ、終わりじゃん？まつりとさしコラボとかもう、アイドル路線、終わりじゃん？

ルーナ：待つのら、それはおかしいのら。そうしたら、みんなだいたい終わってる感じになっちまうのら。他の人…

たまき：ホロライブだいたいまつり落ちしてますけどね。

二人：（笑）

“Matsuri” refers to another Virtual Youtuber called “Natsuiro Matsuri”. The context here is that Matsuri is a vulgar person and she often makes dirty jokes with Tamaki. Luna just debuted recently and she seems cute and pure, so Tamaki was surprised that Luna hangs out with Matsuri.

My question is, what does「まつり落ち」mean in this context? Literally, I think it would mean “fall onto Matsuri”. Does this mean “fall to Matsuri’s level” or “to fall into the same position as Matsuri’s”?

#2

Sounds like Luna is just as confused, so perhaps it’s some kind of running joke.

落ち can mean “punchline”, if that helps any.

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#3

Cool, I didn’t think anybody else watched Hololive.

I’m still very slow at reading so it would take me a long time to fully parse and understand the transcript. On Wanikani I learned that 落ち means “conclusion” so maybe that will help.

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#4

This is why it’s also good to make sure to familiarize with the secondary meanings provided:

FINAL RESULT, THE END, PUNCH LINE, SLIP, OMISSION, OUTCOME

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#5

My best guess would be closer to the former. I think it’s ‘fall’ in the sense of something like ‘fall to the Dark Side’. It’s clear that it’s not a standard expression since the other YouTuber starts laughing and saying, ‘What is that even?’ I think it’s literally something like a ‘Matsuri Fall’ i.e. ‘fall in the manner of Matsuri’ or perhaps ‘be dragged down by Matsuri’. It’s probably something like a fall from grace.

The bit that you said you ‘don’t get’ is 扱い（あつかい）if I’m not wrong, which means ‘treatment’ (i.e. to treat someone/something as…). And by the way, I think it’s だけで, not だけど, meaning that the sentence should read something like ‘Why does just playing/having fun with Matsuri-chan Senpai mean I get treated like I have “fallen to Matsuri”?’

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#6

In popular vtubers’ videos, when someone says something that gets a big reaction out of someone else that you don’t understand, (or in general if someone says something you didn’t catch but you think someone might have found funny) I highly recommend looking at the chat (since it’s a whole bunch of native Japanese speakers watching the same video you are and reacting in kanji, which helps clear up mishearings)

In this case, everyone was spamming not まつり落ち but

​まつり堕ちｗ

And if you search for the difference between 落ち and 堕ち… https://hinative.com/ja/questions/8203320

堕ちる・・・堕落して悪い世界に入る場合
例）地獄に堕ちる、悪の道に堕ちる

So yeah, it’s be corrupted by Matsuri / fall to the dark side