Well on a 24 hour system, midnight is 0, right? They start counting at 0, so its not surprising that they would apply the same logic to when you start counting over for the pm. Personally it makes a whole lot more sense to me than starting the PM with 12 and then going back to 1, 2, 3. My guess would be the original use was for the 24 hour system and it just kinda got extended over, but that’s pure speculation.
Also I checked some books I’ve read and couldn’t find it being used for noon, but I did find 午前零時 which would imply that noon is a potential use in standard japanese or else they probably (?) Wouldn’t have bothered to include the 午前.
Its also worth noting that ０時 is only midnight though iirc.
EDIT: Got a source on my last claim because I wanted to make sure I wasn’t passing along wrong info
So yeah its supposed to only be midnight, but I think due to 零時, its possible someone might mistake it for noon despite not being technically correct. Like I can find where 午後０時 is used on the internet to mean noon, but ０時 is always midnight. Which makes sense. The reason I’m seeing online for using 0時 or 零時 when talking about noon is that its just a lot easier to understand and less likely to be misinterpreted when it follows either 午後 or 午前.
It’s also worth noting, that in Japan sometimes 25時 will be used for 1am, 26時 for 2am etc, for example for marking ending times of events that start before midnight but end after.
I also encountered it yesterday in VN, when protagonist (in narration) said something like “It was 25 - I mean, 1am of the next day”, while walking home late at night. So basically it can be used whenever you’re mentally still in the previous day I guess
What was that word for when you were sure you knew something, but you actually remembered it wrong? I remember learning about it, but forgot what it exactly was. 勘違い?
Or perhaps just 間違えて覚える？
Yep, same results. Depending on the default language though, I don’t think this is always the case since my phone has a quirky habit of changing some words like one piece into ONE PIECE. I didn’t have that happen when it was American
You mean even when you have English selected as main language? I noticed my JP keyboard sometimes capitalizes カタカナ words even when typing with kana. For instance, うネスコ might get replaced with UNESCO.
My けいしょく suggestion was rejected by the way. Makes sense .
This is more like… a ‘misunderstanding’. A classic use of it is in anime when someone is telling someone else off (or when a tsundere is speaking). It tends to appear in phrases like「勘違いするな」(‘don’t misunderstand’), and is usually followed by stuff like ‘this doesn’t mean I’ve forgiven you’ or ‘that doesn’t mean I like you’ or ‘I haven’t forgotten your promise, so make good on it’.
I’m not sure, but I think 覚え違い (the act of remembering incorrectly) is a possibility.
I think this is one of those cases where it’s more a pattern than a bunch of individual words - like with ◯方 being basically “way of doing ◯” even thought WK and Jisho have a bunch of individual entries for it, ◯違い would be something along the lines of “making a mistake in ◯”. So 読み違い is misreading, 覚え違い is misremembering, 言い違い is misspeaking, etc.
I tend to prefer learning these things as the overarching pattern. Unless of course there are only specific words with which 方 and 違い can be used, in which case I might have to reevaluate how I think about them
And just to point out the even larger pattern (in case it happens to be helpful to anyone)- there’s tons and tons of compound verbs like this.
読み違う - to read and be wrong - to misread
覚え違う - to remember and be wrong - to misremember
刺し殺す - to stab and kill- to stab to death
投げ込む - to throw and put in - to throw in
焼き払う - to burn and clear away - to burn down
etc. etc.
This is the single biggest pattern I noticed from doing lots of vocabulary anki reviews, is compound verbs like this. English prepositional phrases especially tend to end up as these.
And at least some of them (like 殺す) are productive patterns similar to how 違う is in this case.
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