Genki I study group, chapter 2 discussion thread

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Please use this thread to discuss Genki I, chapter two. Talk about what you learned, ask questions, and do group activities together. Also please compare answers, since genki doesn’t have an answer key, BUT please use spoiler formatting so that people who haven’t done the worksheets yet can’t cheat on accident. You can format a spoiler like this:

[spoiler][the answer to a question in genki][/spoiler]

Thanks everyone! You all did a great job discussing chapter one! ALSO, if you are a bit behind, please feel free to look at the chapter 1 thread, and if you have a question that hasn’t been addressed yet, you can always ask it and ping me and some other frequent contributors, if you ask nicely : )

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It seemed like people found my notes from the last chapter helpful, so I’ll keep posting them. The formatting gets a little messed up when I copy them over, so sorry if anything looks off.

Chapter 2 Notes

Chapter 2

これ、それ、あれ、どれ

これ: “this thing here”, close to the speaker

  • これはいくらですか。How much is this one?

それ: “that thing there”, close to listener

  • それはいくらですか。How much is that one?

あれ: “that thing over there”, far from both speaker and listener

  • あれはいくらですか。How much is that one (over there)?

どれ: “which thing”, question word

  • どれがいいですか。Which one is good?

この、その、あの、どの + Noun

Must be followed by a noun!

Similar to これ・それ・あれ・どれ, but modifying a noun

  • この本は面白いです。This book is interesting.
  • その本はつまらないです。That book is boring.
  • あの本は高いです。That book (over there) is expensive.
  • どの本は安いですか。Which book is cheap.

ここ、そこ、あそこ、どこ

Here, there, over there, where

Used for giving directions

  • 喫茶店はどこですか。Where is the cafe?
  • あそこです。It is over there.

誰の + noun

“Whose (noun)”

  • これは誰の本ですか。Whose book is this one?
  • 私のです。It is mine.

Nounも

“Too, also”; indicates that things have equal weight/value

Can only replace particles は・が・を

  • (A)私はアメリカ人です。I am American.
  • (B)あなたもアメリカ人です。You are also American.
  • AはXです. BもXです. A is X. B is also X.

DICTIONARY NOTES (p. 247)

  • “A particle which indicates that a proposition about the preceding element X is also true when another similar proposition is true”
  • In addition to saying the subject also did something, it can be used to say that the subject could do more than one thing.
    • (A)私は日本語を話す。I speak Japanese.
    • (B)私はスペイン語も話す。I also speak Spanish.
  • も should be combined with other particles if not the subject or object
    • 日本へ行く。I am going to Japan.
    • イタリアへも行く。I am also going to Italy.
  • CANNOT be used to say Xは is something and Xも is something else
    • 私は医者です。私も先生です。INCORRECT
    • 私は医者です。そして先生でもある。I am a doctor and also a teacher.

Nounじゃないです

Formal, negative, nonpast form of Nounです。

  • これは猫です。This is a cat
  • これは猫じゃないです。This is not a cat.

In more conservative speech, じゃありません is used.

To be even more formal in writing, use ではありません.

  • じゃ is the colloquial form of では
  • (じゃない=ではない・じゃありません=ではありません)

Usage is the same as です・だ, but in the negative form

CASUAL

  • Simply drop the です off of any form of the negative to make it less formal

∼ね・∼よ

ね: used when the speaker is seeking confirmation or agreement

  • リーさんの選考は文学ですね。Ms. Lee’s major is literature, right?

よ: turns a statement into an authoritative decree

  • スミスさんはイギリス人ですよ。Mr. Smith is British, you know.

DICTIONARY NOTES

ね (p. 286)

  • “A sentence-ending particle that indicates the speaker’s request for confirmation or agreement from the hearer about some shared knowledge)
  • Speaking notes: when using the ね of agreement, use a falling intonation; when using the ね of confirmation, use a rising intonation
  • ね+え can also be used to show excitement about a topic
    • 面白い映画でしたねえ!It was such an interesting movie, wasn’t it!
    • The extra え draws out that last syllable when speaking
  • ね can be added to the end of any formal or informal sentence, except for the non-polite imperative
    • 読めね INCORRECT
    • 読みなさいね・読んでくださいね (Please) read it, will you?
  • ね can also be added to the end of other sentence-ending particles, such as よ or か.
    • ∼よね “I assert that ~ but don’t you agree?”
      • あの先生はいい先生ですよね。That teacher is a good teacher. Don’t you think so?
    • ∼かね “I am not sure if ___?
      • あの先生はいい先生ですかね。I doubt that he is a good teacher.

よ (p. 543)

  • “A sentence-ending particle that indicates the speaker’s (fairly) strong conviction or assertion about something that is assumed to be only known to him”
  • Conveys NEW information to the listener

Can be combined with ね, but CANNOT be combined with a question (か)

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These notes are really helpful.

Which dictionary do you use?

A Dictionary of Basic Japanese Grammar, but I also put stuff there that I’ve learned from other random sources. I just mostly use the dictionary, so I mark down the page because that book has so much information.

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The first dialogue cracks me up
高いですね。。。

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Nice! I have the same dictionary, but didn’t check the pages numbers yet :slight_smile: .
It’s great to have them in your notes too!

Thanks a lot!

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とんかつ?魚ですか?

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メアリーさんは失礼ですね。

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If some one has the answer key to the workbook, would you mind posting it please? I would greatly appreciate it.

魚はとんかつじゃないですよ!

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はじめまして。私は、ペーターです。私はおまり日本語を話しません。

[Nice to meet you. I’m Peter. I do not speak much Japanese.]

Looking forward to learning with you all.

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Does the も particle change the topic of the conversation? For example:
たけしさんは日本人です。
みちこさんも日本人です。
会社員です。

Who does 会社員です refer to?

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If you look at Lesson 4 (page 111) they go into も in a bit more detail. But to attempt to summarise, it acts as a marker itself, so it replaces は. I’m not entirely sure why they split the lesson up like that!

As far as I know with my limited grammar… 会社員です would depend on context. Could be yourself, someone else or in general. If you wanted to be more specific you’d need to add more.

私は会社員です/その会社員です。

Hopefully someone will correct me if any of that is wrong. :slight_smile:

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会社員です here probably refers to the most recent topic, so みちこさん in this case.

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はじめましてペーターさん。
「おまり」じゃないです。「あまり」ですよ。
がんばって!

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Or both :stuck_out_tongue:

Regarding も, it replaces は and I believe it indeed changes the topic to みちこさん

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Alright, I feel like I learned a ton from Chapter 2 and I don’t feel overwhelmed yet, yay!
I’ll post my workbook answers in case someone wants to compare while waiting for the answer key to be posted. Please correct me if I’m wrong.

Also I wanted to thank everyone for recommending the Kanji writing app. In just one week I have gone from 0 knowledge on how to write kana to feeling completely comfortable writing it!

One question I had from this chapter is the use of negative answers. You can see how I answered Section 7: Questions for reference (the way the book taught me). Is this overkill in real life? For example in question 1, wouldn’t people just answer like いいえ。アメリカ人です。?

1. Numbers

I. Write the following numbers in Arabic numerals.
  1. 470
  2. 853
  3. 1,300
  4. 17,000
  5. 3,612
  6. 5,198
  7. 46,900
  8. 90,210
II. Write the following numbers in hiragana.
  1. ごひゃくよんじゅういち
  2. にせんななひゃくさんじゅうろく
  3. はっせんきゅうひゃく
  4. いちまんにせんさんひゃくよんじゅうご
III. Look at the pictures and complete the dialogues.
  1. 自転車はいくらですか。
  2. 三千六百です。
  3. 百六十円です。

2. これ、それ、and あれ

I. Look at the pictures and translate the sentences into Japanese.
  1. これは私のペンです。
  2. それはケンの本です。
  3. あれはなんですか。
  4. これは肉ですか。
II. Mary and Takeshi are talking. Look at the picture and fill in これ、それ or あれ.
  1. これ
  2. それ
  3. これ
  4. あれ
  5. あれ

3. この、その、and あの

Complete the following conversation between the attendant and the customer at a watch shop.
  1. この時計はいくらですか。
  2. その時計はいくらですか。
  3. (この時計は)二千八百円です。
  4. あの時計はいくらですか。
  5. (あの時計は)千五百円です。
  6. じゃあ、あの時計をください。

4. ここ、そこ、あそこ・だれの

I. You are B. Answer A's questions with ここ、そこ or あそこ.
  1. あそこです。
  2. そこです。
  3. ここです。
  4. あそこです。
II. Your friends left their belongings in your room. Ask Michiko whose items these are.
  1. これはだれのほうしですか。
  2. これはだれのさいふですか。
  3. あれはだれのかさですか。

5. Noun も・Noun じゃないです

I. Translate the following sentences into Japanese. Use も after the underscored phrases.
  1. たなかさんは日本人です。よしださんも日本人です。
  2. たなかさんははたちさいです。よしださんもはたちさいです。
  3. このじしょは二千円です。そのじしょも二千円です。
  4. これは私の自転車です。それも私の自転車です。
  5. たけしのせんこうはれきしです。私のせんこうもれきしです。
II. Answer the following questions in the negative.
  1. いいえ。私はかいしゃいんじゃないです。
  2. いいえ。私わ日本人じゃないです。
  3. いいえ。私のせんこうはれきしじゃないです。
  4. いいえ。あれは私の自転車じゃないです。
  5. いいえ。それは私のかさじゃないです。

6. Listening Comprehension

A
  1. 80
  2. 1,000
  3. ?
  4. 120
  5. 100
B
  1. いいえ。アメリカ人じゃないです。フランスです。
  2. せんこうは英語です。
  3. ええ。
  4. いいえ。クレステイさんのおかさんは日本人じゃないです。フランス人です。
C

How much are these items?

  1. 3,000
  2. 600
  3. 1,200

Mark O if the following statements are true. Mark X if not true.

  1. X
  2. O
  3. O

7. Questions

Everyone's answers will be different for this one, but I'll post mine anyway.
  1. いいえ。日本人じゃないです。アメリカ人です。
  2. いいえ。二年生じゃないです。一年生です。 (I am actually not a student at all and don’t know how to say I’m not, so I just used the “year” I am in for studying on WaniKani.)
  3. いいえ。せんこうはけいざいじゃないです。日本語です。
  4. いいえ。お母さんは日本人じゃないです。アメリカ人です。
  5. いいえ。お父さんはなんさいじゃないです。(home renovator, idk how to say this in Japanese lol) です。
  6. 七千四百七円です。
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Here you go! Note: The top section of the first image is for section I-A (p.69).

Genki Textbook Answers


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Genki Workbook Answers



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Thank you so much!!!

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A lot of the exercises in a textbook are just to get you a lot of practice with the new grammar points. Saying that much would for sure usually be overkill, but the point here is just to get you practice making sentences.

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