🍀よつばと!・ Yotsuba&! - Week 9

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Week 9 September 5
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Third panel of page 77 includes a fun quirk of how the Japanese culture shapes the Japanese language. Yotsuba tells Fuuka おあがりたまえ (probably more commonly seen in media as おあがりください) - あがり here is the verb 上がる in stem form.

See, in western culture, the boundary between the outside of the house and the inside of the house is at the front door - to invite someone to enter the house, you invite them inside the door, and so in English we say “please come in”.

In Japan, however, or more specifically in Japanese-style houses, the genkan, the entryway, is still considered the outside of the house - the boundary is not at the door, but rather at the step up to the wooden floor. Thus to invite someone to enter the house, you invite them up to the raised wooden floor, and so in Japanese, they say "please come up’. Or in other words, どうぞお上がりください. This phrasing is sufficiently prevalent that it’s also used in Western-style houses in Japan, where the door is the boundary of the house.

Yotsuba’s following line, おまかいですが is a slightly mispronounced 細こまかいですが = “even though it’s small”. It’s a fairly standard thing to say when inviting someone in your house, because it’s considered polite in Japanese to humble yourself. An equivalent English saying (in terms of usage rather than meaning) might be “don’t mind the mess”. Mispronouncing or completely garbling common polite phrases is a recurring habit of Yotsuba’s.

I’m glad for the extended weekend, lets get some reading done!

Page 77

I’m home!
Come inside! It’s a dump though… (Oh my goodness I could not tell that hiragana was supposed to be zo)
Eh? No, I…
A dump?
Don’t hold back!!
Dad!!

Page 78

There’s a note
(I think this note says something like Yotsuba, I’ve gone out, stay home)
Oh?
He says to look after the house
Alright! This big sister will look after the house with you
Really!?
What are you drawing?
Dad! You draw too!
You draw well big sister!

Page 79

Where did you move from Yotsuba?
…uh…
left!
Th-that’s my right

Page 80

that?

Page 81

Huh!? It’s stuck!?
It won’t move!?
Eh!?
I wonder if Yotsuba is back

Page 82

Eh… that… (More accurate translation is probably Uh… I’m stuck)

Page 83

I’m visiting
Ah, no…
Ah, Ahh
Please listen to me Koiwaisan!! I’m not suspicious I was just house-sitting Yotsubachan
No, I generally get the idea since the lock is broken
Ah…
Well… That is…
That…
I got stuck and can’t move
Do you think you could pull me out?
Ahhh…

Page 84

AAAA!?
Big sis Asagi It’s not what it looks like…!?
…

Page 85

That’s too funny
Come look
!
Look
What? What?

Page 86

What is she doing?
No clue-
Isn’t it a new game? I don’t really know the rules though
Ahahaha
Ahahahahaha
…urgh..
…uuuuuuuuuurgh..

Page 87

I’m sorry for causing trouble
No no
Arugh-!! This is bad!!!
Well how should I put it
Well…

Page 88

Well don’t worry, it happens all the time
Careless comforting
R-right of course!
Playing along

Bweh, I needed a lot of help this week. Not much was translated on my own.

@Dathmach

Page 78

This is Fuuka speaking, using おねーちゃん to refer to herself. “Big sister isI am good at drawing.”

Page 79

そっか = そうか, and that’s 左, not 右. “Oh, I see. Left, huh?”

Page 80

Huh?

Page 81

あかない is the negative of 開あく. It won’t open.

Page 82

あの is “um, er” here. She’s still formulating what she’s about to say.

You’re still skipping all the handwritten text. You’ll miss details if you do that.

Page 77

Come inside! It’s a dump though

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Yotsuba is likely garbling a Japanese set phrase お構いもできませんが and your translation captures the nuance of it, I think.

I was intrigued that Yotsuba mispronounces 構い (かまい - to be concerned about, etc) as 魔界 (まかい - demon world)!

Perhaps I read too much into it but Fuuka does repeat まかい while looking a bit flustered.

I have a real hard time reading the handwritten stuff.

Speaking of the handwritten text.

page 87, panel 4

I’m reading “おちゃわん もうほう”. The first part seems to be rice bowl/tea cup and the second could be も plus うほう, right side (or もう + ほう (direction), but I can’t make sense of that either). Normally I’d assume Yotsuba was saying something garbled or nonsensical, but Fuuka says “お よく しってるね”, which I think is “I know that well”, so it seems like what Yotsuba is saying should make some kind of sense.

It’s page 79 in my edition…

Close. It is actually おちゃわん もつほう. You see the missing stroke above つ.
Meaning “the one with which we hold the rice bowl” because that is the hand holding it and how she remembers from which direction they came ^^

In this case “you know that well”. She is praising her. Indicated by context and the ね is also a strong hint

Or, to be more precise, you don’t see. :face_with_tongue:

I can't delete this on my phone😋

The word えんりょ seems to mean hesitate / hold back and various other similies. According to the vocab sheet it’s being used as ‘hesitate’ or ‘refrain’ The な at the end of the するな makes it negative - I’m assuming it’s a shortened form of ない. So the meaning is ‘don’t hesitate’ I think, which I assume means ‘come in’ as an invitation.

It looks like it can be that way, but the usage and meaning both differ:

  • ない (attached to a verb stem) is used to negate something: “didn’t do ~”
  • な (after the dictionary form of a verb) is used to prohibit something: “don’t do ~”

Another chapter done. Funny stuff towards the end there. a fun read :rofl:

I mean can you imagine trying to explain to a virtual stranger why you’re hanging half way out of their bathroom window when they left the house empty a short while ago?

Page 77

I’m struggling a little with the grammar of おあがりたまえ
I get that あがる means to come in. I assume the お at the start is the common prefix adding to politeness, but I don’t get the conjugation ~りたまえ. That’s new to me I think.

Page 78

Just a small one here. Fuuku starts with あら when first seeing the note. Is this just an interjection like あの or ええと?

Also よし - is this just like hey or ok?

Page 79

I’m struggling a little with the handwritten stuff here.
It’s always possible I’m reading it wrong but what I see for them is:
そうきたかあ - according to google translate ‘so that’s how it is’ Doesn’t really mean much in context.
おちゃれんもつほう?(not sure about this - the れ could be something else - google translate gives me nothing for this.
およくしってるね - You know a lot about it, don’t you? Seems to make sense assuming yotsuba said something about their old place in the one i can’t understand.
よつばちゃんは (some kanji i can’t read) うまいね - yotsuba is really good at …something. Drawing I assume.
そーか? - really?
ふーかはへただな - fuuka is bad at it
え?!うぞ!what?? no way!

Page 80

ねちゃった - she fell asleep
トイレどこかね - Where’s the toilet?

Figured I’d finish off all the handwritten bits on all pages since they’re not in @Dathmach 's comment, and my best understanding of them in case anyone else comes along looking for them, and of course I’m happy to be corrected if any are wrong.

Page 83

Struggling a bit with the grammar again in the final panel.
つっかえてうどかなくなっちゃったんです
I get that she’s saying she’s become stuck and unable to move. But I’m not sure what the ちゃったん bit is / is doing here.I understand (I think) that the たん bit is making it past tense and an explanation / reason, but I can’t figure out what the ちゃ is.

Page 87

Another bit of handwritten:
やっとぬけた - Finally out (from ぬける - to come out)
なんでこんな事に - why did this have to happen??
あさぎ姉ちゃんにはバカにされるし - My sister Asagi made fun of me too. This is from google translate, and makes sense. From what I can see - バカ means things like fool or idiot and される means to do something, so I’m guessing it’s in literal form, something like ‘she’s making a fool of me’

Edit: I’ve seen my page 79 mistake in anopther comment now :slight_smile:

Page 77

You won’t see たまえ often, but it attaches to the verb stem to give a “please (do verb)” meaning.

Here's an example from another manga.

Here, it’s attached to 止す (よす), which means to stop (doing something).

It’s also not at all appropriate for a child to use to someone older.

Page 78

あら is indeed an interjection, similar to oh in English.

It’s another interjection, similar to saying all right in English, as in, “All right, let’s do such-and-such.”

Page 79

I’d go with a small ぁ here, but same result either way (extending the vowel sound on か).

The きた here follows with the question in the first panel, so it’s refering to Yotsuba’s coming to this city from somewhere.

そう acts as an adverb, describing how きた was done as “in that way”. So she’s saying, “You came (here) in that way (from that direction), huh?”

Parsing these becomes easier as your vocabulary increases. おちゃわん is the word here. (Details for this line and how to translate it are covered earlier in this thread.)

In this situation, I recommend looking up what the kanji is for the word that makes sense, just to see.

Interacting with a kanji in this way (via an intentional looking) can contribute even a tiny amount to making it more recognizable in the future. (Although you won’t see this one from WaniKani until level 38.)

Fun tip: If you’re typing Japanese on a computer keyboard, you can type てんてん then space, and you should see ゛ as an option:

This lets you transribe え゛(although it comes with built-in spacing after it).

Page 83

〜ちゃう is a casual verison of 〜てしまう, which takes a verb in the て form and adds しまう to it. It can means something ended up happening, and often has a sense of regret that it happened. As you noted, the た makes it past tense. This is the same as the prior page’s 「寝ちゃった」, saying Yotsuba ended up falling asleep.

I have a page with examples of ちゃう if you’d like check out some of its various uses.

The ん+です is の+です, and makes the sentence explanatory. It adds a nuance similar to “I got stuck” versus “It’s (the case) that I got stuck.”

I have a page about のだ as well.

These are both grammar you’ll see commonly, so you’ll (want to) learn then eventually. At the very least, you want to be aware of them, so you’ll recognize them in the future even if you don’t recall the meaning.

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Mostly a feminine interjection, I would say Jisho.org: Japanese Dictionary. There’s the more meme あらあら that you might have seen/heard https://www.youtube.com/shorts/7rlzfZuEkAQ <= don’t have a better video.

it’s 絵 - picture

In textbook style that would be
つっかえて うごかなく なって しまった の です
なってしまった becomes なっちゃった and the の is changed to ん pretty often in speech.

Close. In this case it’s the passive form of する. Because it’s something that is done to her by her sister (as in your english translation)

Aha thanks! 〃although trying it i’m only getting this giant thing as an option. If I press space is just inserts the option 3 kanji.

Speaking of that, I’m assuming it just means like an emphasised え sound?

Thanks as always for the explanations! I’m familiar with ~んです。From the final chapter of Genki 1, so figured it was that grammar form.

Ah great thanks. I’m not familiar with passive form yet, I’m guessing I’ll encounter that as I work through Genki 2.

Interesting. It must simply be a difference in how the application’s internal dictionary is populated. For example, Mozc doesn’t resolve まる to ・ although a prior application I’ve used for typing in Japanese did.

I’d say it makes the sound more “rough”, for lack of a better way to explain it.

Yeah, difficult to describe, hehe. I’m reading it like this:

The way the first girls sound.

In general, the full construction of (お/ご)[V-stem]ください is a very formal way of asking someone to do something, a big step up in formality from ~てください. Yotsuba’s just substituted たまえ here, presumably because she got it from Dad, but possibly don’t add that one to your Japanese repertoire. :slightly_smiling_face:

I just use the / key for interpuncts.