霧のむこうのふしぎな町 | Week 10 Discussion 🌬 🏘

As I have not yet finished reading for this week, I dare only comment on your last question:

聞ける, according to my dictionary, is either the transitive version of 聞く and means „to tell“, or the potential of 聞く and means „can tell“. For the ほど construction, I find the potential version more suitable, like you said: „to the extent that I could not speak“ or in better English: „I could not even speak“.
(Does this answer your question?)

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Yes I think it does mean characteristic, but it is not Icchan who is delighted, he is saying that Picotto-obaasan has the characteristic of appearing delighted when she tells someone off.

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He’s suggesting that they should deprive Picottobaachan of that pleasure.

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Oh my goodness, I thought that whole conversation was about how they just find it funny now when she tells them off. Talk about missing the point entirely!

Well thank you @Kyasurin :stuck_out_tongue:

This has become quite redundant now~

Disclaimer first, it’s been too long since I read this book, so I may be way off here. :bowing_woman:

I believe it is ピコっとばあさん that seems joyful when she is scolding someone.

From the context of your quotes (I hope there’s not too much happening in between haha), I believe he is suggesting they take away ピコットばあさん’s fun at scolding people - that is, not give her a reason to scold. The しまう in this case would be ‘to do completely’.

がのこる is a pretty common phrase in Japanese books in general, I’ve found, when describing a changed state. If there’s more to it I’ve never bothered to find out, so if someone knows… :upside_down_face:

Annd, the last one has been answered sufficiently, I believe?

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どういたしまして
It’s good to know we agree on matters grammatical :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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By the way, does it bother anybody else that Rina is drawn with “blonde” hair in the illustration on page 117? Her hair is always shaded in every other illustration… For a second I thought the chapter was going to be about some other kid who steals her umbrella :joy:

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I’ve given up on understanding the pictures in this book. My copy has the lady entering on the elephant looking calm and even happy.

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Yes! That also annoyed me greatly when I read that part. She looked like some kind of zen circus performer, not a distraught, wet and bedraggled queen.

The illustration from the end of this chapter is also misleading / inaccurate :face_with_raised_eyebrow: it’s a shame, cos they’re cute illustrations.

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ところがピコットばあさんときたら、居間のまどからはさるすべりが見え、自分の散歩する家の西がわにはつつじがさき、うら庭にはすいせんが黄色のじゅうたんみたいにさいていないと気がすまない。
Is the bold part the masu stem of く? If yes, why? How come it’s not te-form? What’s the difference?

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ますstem has the same function as て-form, it’s just more formal and usually used in writing (very often in books :wink:). E.g. 見え before the previous comma is also in ますstem form.

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だって、ぼそっとしゃべって、すうっと消えるんだもの。ぶつかろうにもね……。わたし、大声でどなってもらったほうがまだいいみたい。

  1. What’s this?
  2. Last sentence = “I would rather [loudly] get yelled at [it seems]”?

Edit: 3) What would be the difference between

子供に会えないということがどれだけ辛いかあなたにはわかりません。

and, for instance,

子供に会えないどれだけ辛いかあなたにはわかりません?

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Edit 2: 4) 「ナータからきいたわ。」「リナは、信じられますか。」
信じられますか = “Can you believe it,” right? I keep getting confused by “potential or passive.”

Edit 3: 5) 眼科にとびこむ
“Jump into opthalmology”?

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6, I guess) Did Shikka just say there’s some prophecy about a girl coming to their town?

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こしかけさせさせ = 腰掛こしかける + す’s last meaning: “to stop in the midst of, to leave undone,” right?

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  1. But, he just talked in a whisper and then immediately disappeared!

  2. Yes, I think that’s right.

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  1. Yes, I think it’s potential. If it were passive he would be asking if Rina could be believed, which would be odd in the context.

  2. I took this to be shorthand for “ophthalmologist”, in the sense of “I would rush to the ophthalmologist’s” (because she wouldn’t believe her eyes). I could be wrong on that front though.

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  1. Oooh, I thought he meant since hearing that a girl would be coming, they’d been waiting in eager anticipation, but I think your interpretation could also be correct…

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こしかける is correct, but I think this is させる, “to allow someone to do; to make someone do”. I thought he was offering her a comfortable chair / making her sit down.

  1. Sorry, I wasn’t precise enough, I meant what the bold part is, i.e. this part: ぶつかろうにもね.
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  4. Okay, that was very helpful. I never know how how to phrase the passive, likely from a hole in English grammar knowledge.
  5. Dunno if it’s correct, but it does make sense.
  6. Reading that part again, and I’ve went through the opposite change of heart - yours makes more sense to me now! :laughing:
  7. (61%) Yeah, considering the sentence is about what Shikka did, that makes more sense.
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Oops, sorry :sweat_smile: I did see the bold part initially, and then just lost my head in between that and answering…

I found the meaning “it’s not possible” for にも, which it says is used after the volitional (or dictionary) form, so I’m pretty sure that’s the construction here, because ぶつかる is in volitional form.

So I think she’s saying it’s just not possible to ぶつかる him, because of what she said in the previous sentence - he vanishes almost before he’s appeared.

Well now we’re both uncertain at least :grin:

Yup, the にも fits. I couldn’t find it on BunPro, but I found it in The Handbook…, in case you or anyone else is interested:

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問題のつばかさらかがあるというのですね。
I don’t get the bold part.

It’s 問題 の つぼ か さら か

I kept being tripped up by this too because of all the kana. It’s saying “the pot or plate in question”. The nouns are marked by か because of the uncertainty over whether it’s a pot or a plate.

Edit for clarity: this is from page 126, which is week 11

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