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The おばあちゃん that おかあさん talks to in the beauty parlour is hardcore Kansai-ben god damn. Going to need an interpreter, I can kind of divine what she’s saying based on おかあさん’s responses but it’s pretty rough going.
I added a few words to the sheet, but not everything.
On page 45, the phrase 毎食っちゅうことになると appears, which I interpret as “When it became the kind of thing we ate every meal, then…” First, is this a correct translation and second, does ちゅう basically mean “kind of thing” or “ish” like っぽい?
Yeah, for me it also sometimes feels more like guesswork than understanding
Sounds about right. Others should feel free to correct me if I’m wrong, but I usually take ちゅう to be a contraction of と言う so that you get one of the many という variants.
Yes, but they’re handwritten so extra challenging to decipher
I think it’s the ばあさん taking about the house mother whose name is いっちゃん？ Sometging like ‘you worked hard and didn’t give up’ (not sure I have the tenses right)
I’m not too sure of that. 市 is the name of the house. In a business context, it’s common to refer to an individual from another company as [company name]さん, so it’s possible to refer to her as 市さん. 市っちゃん would then be a more familiar version of that.
Aside from which, perhaps a slight spoiler, but the Japanese Wikipedia article on the series gives her name as 広瀬あずさ.
The dialect is getting harder to understand Kinda takes me back to when reading anything in japanese was more guessing than knowing.
I found Kiyo pretending to have a conversation with her arm way cuter than I probably should. I hope Kiyo appears more often (Not only is she adorable, but also the easiest to understand )
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So, since the old lady was referred to as 姉さん, can we infer anything about her from that? Was she a former 舞妓さん, for example?
Unless I got that part completely wrong I interpreted this as キヨ acting out a conversation between herself and the rice bran (the ぬか床) used to ferment the daikon she was preparing.
It seems that やないねんから is dialect for じゃないんだから and なんぼなんでも is dialect for いくらなんでも. However, I fail to construct a meaning that makes sense from this information. The best I can manage would be something like “she must want to be a maiko no matter what” but I don’t really have any basis for this other than that it feels kinda fitting for the situation. Any help/hint is appreciated.
Regarding the second panel:
、上京してきはった子ぉなんどすけど⋯
The definition for 上京 in jisho.org is “going (up) to the capital; going to Tokyo” but going by this article the original meaning is “moving from the countryside to Kyoto” and that the meaning of Tokyo as capital is more recent, so this probably is just a way of saying that Kiyo moved here (to Kyoto) from the countryside?
Rice bran. ぬか床. Though it was with the rice bran, yes, not her arm.
Aye, なんぼなんでも does correlate directly with いくらなんでも, but as that page points out further down, it can also be used to mean どう考えても.
I’d say mostly what’s tripping you up is that the sentence’s main clause is missing. She’s being polite through indirectness, so what she’s actually intending to say is just left hanging.
舞妓ちゃんじゃないんだからどう考えても = If she’s not [working] as a maiko-chan, then surely… [… what’s she doing being the cook at sixteen?] Sort of thing.
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Kinda takes me back to when reading anything in japanese was more guessing than knowing.