結婚しても恋してる: Week 3 Discussion

Japanese Language Reading
#18

I parsed it like this:
もう - already
10歳 - 10 years old
か… yes?
つないだ - plain past of 繋ぐ = “connected”
その手 - it’s either “that hand” or “that kind of, that way”
は - topic marker
双子 - twins
の - possessive particle
姉弟 - siblings (this wasn’t in Jisho and is normally written as 兄弟 - perhaps these kanji imply that his siblings are a younger brother and a younger sister?)
より - more than
しっかり - tightly
していて - is doing

He’s already ten years old… that connected hand is doing more tightly than his (twin) siblings

or - He’s already ten years old… his grip is tighter than the twins.

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#19

Exactly! The 兄妹 (older brother + younger sister) combination also exists.

jisho does have them both, by the way…

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#20

Aargh! Sorry, doing badly on the typos tonight! Thanks for your help both of you!

Thanks for correcting より to ふり = pretence (He’s pretending to be asleep, isn’t he?)

Now you found 姉弟 in Jisho but that was another typo (!) the original was 妹弟 which I still can’t see on Jisho, but anyway the meaning is clear, and luckily the book gave us the furigana きょうだい to help us :slight_smile:

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#21

Oh, good point. I don’t see that in jisho or goo. Though I guess it just follows the same pattern as 兄妹 and 姉弟…

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#22

ふりがな is magic. I don’t know what I’d have done without it in this other manga I’m reading:

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LHR

ロングホームルーム

(Of course, I then had to look up “long home room”.)

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#23

The new thread is here \o/

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#24

Wow, about a week late to this week’s reading. (I did it yesterday.) Reading have taken a bit of a backseat lately. But hopefully that will change.

I really enjoyed this week’s reading and I keep being surprised at how easily I read it compared to what I expected. I think it also partly helps that I’ve gotten okay with not having perfect understanding. :slight_smile:

Also thanks to all who asked questions. Made me realize I hadn’t quite understood everything (even the more gist-y sort of way) especially on the son father story about holding hands.

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#25

I know it’s just a typo, but just because I can’t help but fix little things like this… Satoshi is the 10 year old.

#26

Satoshi is four years old when introduced on the first page of this week’s reading, but becomes ten during the course of the first story.

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#27

Ah ha, yes, four on page 25, and ten on page 29. Thanks for clearing that up Belthazar!

#28

They grow up so fast, don’t they?

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#29

Page 32

In the 真似っこ chapter, Haru is painting her nails, sees Shingo and says あ, and he says どうしたの?, “what’s up?” Then Haru says …

足… 冷えちゃって… いま両手使えないから もこもこ靴下 はかせて? おねがい :heart:

足… feet…
冷えちゃって… 冷える is to grow cold. But what is ちゃって? Is it “unfortunately”?
いま - now
両手 - both hands
使えない - can’t use
から - because
もこもこ - lumpy?? fluffy??
靴下 - socks
はかせて? - to entrust, in て form, ie, can you do it for me?
おねがい :heart: - please xxx

“my feet have got cold but right now, because I can’t use my hands, can I ask you to help with my socks? pleeeease?”

What I really don’t get is this もこもこ and how it fits into the sentence. And help much appreciated!

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#30

ちゃう is something I continue to struggle with. Hopefully someone chimes in with insight!

In the meantime, I may have to read through http://maggiesensei.com/2010/09/14/request-lesson-ちゃうちゃったchau-chatta/ again.

Who doesn’t want to wear their もこもこ (fluffy) socks when their feet are cold?

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#31

Oh, I see! Of course! “Can I ask you to help with my fluffy socks?” - she’s identifying which socks! Got it! Thank you so much! And for the link too!

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#32

Yeah, this is one of those japanese concepts that don’t have English equivalents and can take a while to get used to.

ちゃう is the informal version of てしまう. When you take a verb in て-form and add the auxiliary verb しまう, it means that the action described by the verb was accidental, and usually has some unfortunate or negative effect.

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#33

Addendum: ～でしまう becomes ～じゃう

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#34

This video is helpful too with てしまう/ちゃう

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#35

I just watched it, and found it very helpful, as well. Thanks!

So, in this scene with Haru, rather than simply stating that her feet have gotten cold, the use of ちゃう gives a sense of not wanting that to have been the result (regret or dissatisfaction).

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#36

Page 35

Japanese working life is truly awful, and here’s Shingo having to work on his day off. Poor chap. Anyway, he finds himself locked out but is allowed to come in because he bought pudding. At which point he says:

あっ しまった 子どもたちの 分しか買って ないや…

あっ - ahhh
しまった - shoot
子どもたちの - kids’
分 - part; segment; share; ration​
しか - I think that this しか, when combined with the ない that follows, means “only”
買って - to buy, in て-form. But why is it in て-form?
ない - helping to make “only”
や… - masculine sentence ending particle

“ah, shoot, I only bought enough for the kids”

My question is, why is 買う in て-form? Why is it 買ってない rather than 買わない?

Any help much appreciated!

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#37

It’s stative form 買っていない abbreviated. “I have only bought” rather than “I only bought”.

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