玉藻の恋 ・ Tamamo no Koi 🦊 Week 1

Hi, thanks for setting up this book club!

Page 12

On the top left corner, I’m a bit unclear about what he is saying, is it something like: “did the lighting strike here earlier?”

Another page 8 も interpretation

He’s implying that he also is grown up/self-sufficent just like the lady and whoever 私たち is.

From the Dictionary of Japanese Grammar:

You have the general meaning correct, and that’s likely about how one would translate it.

With the explanatory の and the questioning か, you could more literally translate the line as “Is it that the earlier lightning came down here?”

It kind of confuses me reason givin し and explanatory の. It seems like both give arguments for things to happen or be done

Wait until you also learn about ので and から!
And 〜んだし that uses the explanatory の and し at the same time!

Maybe someone can actually give you a good explanation of the differences between them, but I recommend to not to worry too much about it for the time being.

For reading, you can just learn the rough meaning (から and ので are “because”, し is “because” implying there are more reasons, の adds a tone of “explaining something”) and you’ll probably be good.

For speaking/writing, for now (and the forseeable future) just use から when giving a single reason, use し when you want to imply there are more reasons and し~し when you’re actually listing multiple reasons.

And for the explanatory の there’s this article just waiting for you: んだ: Japanese Explanatory Form (んです/のだ/のです). Don’t worry if it’s a bit hard to get, I’ve been studying Japanese for almost 4 years now and the only thing I’ve got to show for it regarding the explanatory の is a nebulous feeling that I kinda maybe understand it a little.

I agree with this 100%.

That said:

し not only provides but emphasizes the reason for something, and there may be multiple reasons given.

の is explanatory in that it’s generally providing unknown information (filling in a gap for fuller understanding).

Over time, you’ll get used to the various situations where each is used, and you’ll start to see the differences in their usage.

If there’s one thing that I learnt about learning Japanese, it’s to just relax and not worry too much about the small complicated things that I don’t actually need right now. I’ll understand them one day. Or not.

There’s a lot more productive things to do right now, like watching VTubers immersion.

I did have a lot of fun asking detailed questions about minute details in book clubs for the first few years though :slight_smile:

edit: Oh, and just to be clear, if any of you are interested in smaller details, still ask your questions please! I’m not trying to discourage any questions here. This is just my personal stance that I slowly grew into over the years while learning, and hopefully an encouragement to not worry too much when you can’t figure something out.

Hahaha oh no, there are so many

I’ll have that in mind. Actually thanks for explaining what to use for speaking and writing because that is what was confusing me. Also thanks you are all so nice here :smiling_face_with_three_hearts:
It’s time for me to do some immersion , reading and understanding left me tired.
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Thank you for all the questions! It’s my first time here and it’s very nice to see all the questions.
I started reading on Friday but I got tired of looking up so many words and stopped at page 7… but now I’m seeing this thread and it’s so useful! I am very excited and motivated to keep reading now that I know I can rely on a community, so thank you all :smiley:

I added ちゃんと (page 8) in the vocab list because I didn’t know that word.
Otherwise, I think I understood everything now? At list I have the global idea I believe…
Although:

Page 7

The handwritten part just outside of the speech bubble that says 夕飯でも 買って帰ろう, I assume he means “for dinner I’m gonna do takeout” ?

Page 7

I think it’s something like “Let’s buy dinner or something and go home.”

You know how some people put a “/s” at the end of a sentence to make it clear they were being sarcastic? I feel like the explanatory の/ん is very similar, but for explanations and said out loud. And the め in page 1 is a similar tone marker for being an insult. (This may not be grammatically correct, strictly speaking, but it helps my brain make sense of those bits.)

Getting started tonight! First reading practice for me beyond children’s materials. Some questions below.

Preface Section/Author Blurb
  • 連載: I couldn’t find much information online about the word 連載, as seen in the first sentence of the blurb. From what I could find, it seems like it translates to “serialization” or “publication” - but just wanted to check if anyone knows if that’s completely accurate in this context?

  • “もふもふ狐娘玉藻の恋楽しんでいただけると嬉しいです”: The part of this that I was looking for clarification on is the conjugation of 楽しむ here (楽しんでいただける). I was able to find a page on Bunpro for ~ていただけませんか which seems like a more formal version? I’m confused about how the part of the sentence in question translates to: “I hope you enjoy…” (according to Google and DeepL).

Preface Section/Author Blurb

Yeah, I think that “serialization” is accurate.

We have multiple levels of grammar in that short part:

  • Verbて+いただく is the humble form of Verbて+もらう: To have somebody do something (for your benefit) - literally “to receive the action”
  • [て]いただける is the potential form of [て]いただく: To be able to have somebody do something (for your benefit)
  • : conditional if

So, overly literally: “If I would be able to humbly receive you enjoying the fluffy fox girl Tamamo no Koi I will be happy.”

…which doesn’t sound so good in English, and instead of “I’d be happy if you enjoy” Google/DeepL translated it to “I hope you enjoy”, which seems very much in the spirit of the sentence.

It’s also possible it’s a variation of といい that I don’t know (といい, literally “it would be good if” and と嬉しい “I would be happy if” seem close enough), which would more literally translate to “I hope” instead of “I’d be happy if”, but I feel like even if we just look at the parts like we did above it keeps pretty much the same meaning anyway.

Thanks! That makes it clearer. :slight_smile:

Page 7
  • At the end of “しばらくブラつくか” what is the significance of the か? Is he outright asking something like, “Should I hang out/walk around for a while?”, or is the phrase “I’ll walk around for a while…” simply said with an uncertain tone or something?

  • What’s the nuance of having 夕飯でも買って帰ろう handwritten outside the speech bubble?

page 7

I think it could be either one

This always reads to me as muttering or internal thoughts.

I really enjoyed how cute the little foxes on the coupon and towel were in this section!

Just to check, is this translation alright?

Page 9

“幼いころから通心慣れた商店街 / 心配はかけたくない”
“When I was younger, I got used to the coming and going of the shopping district / (as to) not cause worry.”

Page 9

I think those are two separate sentences.
“The shopping distrinct that I’ve been visiting since I’ve been a child.”
“I don’t want to cause (them) to worry.”

Guilty of getting caught up with smaller details :sweat_smile:

Page 8

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  • I interpreted this as “I’m not soaked, though!” or just “I’m not soaked!” - but is that right? It seems to be said by the woman, which I’m also not sure about?

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  • On the towel, what is the “中須クリ一二” supposed to mean? And the (05X)?

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  • In the middle panel, what is the significance of the んだ at the end of the first sentence on the right? I’m familiar with the explanatory のです/んだ but I’m not sure what the difference would be here if the んだ was removed?

  • Also in the middle panel, it seems like the woman is speaking in third person by saying おばちゃんが沸かしに行ってあげようか!I interpreted the sentence as her (almost aggressively) offering to fix him a bath, but why would she refer to herself with おばちゃん?

As I inerterpreted it, it’s said by the woman and I read it like: Aren’t you all wet!?! It seems like japanese people, when they want to make an afirmattion or say an appreciation, they often formumate it like this, in negative form, you will hear it a lot.

I read somewhere that japanese people, inside a family, when adults talk to younger memebers, they refer themselves as the role they have for the person that they are speaking to. So she is his おばあちゃん, so when she speaks with him, she calls herself like that. It’s an old way though and sometimes they also don’t use it now.