命 versus 令


#1

So I’ve struggled for some time to remember the difference between 命 and 令 so I managed to come up with something to help…

命 is fate because you never discovered the fate of the OP.


#2

Maybe try to remember 命令 めいれい?


#3

Sure - it’s just to remember which one is めい and which one is れい.


#4

If it helps, 令 is a phonetic component that is generally read as れい. For example, 冷, 齢, and 零 are all also read as れい. I can’t help much with the meaning, but hopefully this helps you remember the reading.


#5

Holy shit. That’s helpful. Thank you!!


#6

I wonder is there a compendium of phonetic kanji?


#7

There’s a script for that somewhere, but I can’t link to it right now because I’m on mobile.(It’s also not installed where I do most of my lessons…)


#8

Here’s the script I use.


#9

I mean an actual dictionary.


#10

Can’t help you there.


#11

You can the script maker what their sources were.


#12

If you don’t mind raw data, there’s an open data set here for kanji decomposition:

http://nihongo.monash.edu//kradinf.html


#13

There are Japanese dictionaries, sure. But you need to remember that many, if not most of the phonetic series are not 100%. I’d suggest reading this: https://namakajiri.net/nikki/testing-the-power-of-phonetic-components-in-japanese-kanji/


#14

Yeah, I’ve had it in mind to have a go at processing the data I linked earlier to see how strong those phonetic series are. The EDRDG has all the data needed I think - just need some time and motivation…

EDIT: Ah, the link you provided did just that.


#15

I remember 命 with Mei’s legendary skin from Overwatch. Her goggles and hat look sorta like the kanji with the reading “mei”:


#16

I remember inochi 命, destiny.

For 令, I remember めいれい.


#17

to me 令 looks like medieval sign post with a long list pinned to it, like this image

and on it REI (seen below) has posted a long list of ORDERS by which to live one’s LIFE.

image


#18

Yeah, me too :stuck_out_tongue:


#19

So after this thread, I think that 命 and 令 are completely distinct in my mind now.

Thanks everyone!