๐Ÿ‘ป Week 11 10ๅˆ†ใงใ‚ˆใ‚ใ‚‹ใ“ใ‚ใ„่ฉฑใƒป10 minute Scary Stories (Absolute Beginner Book Club)

Sounds good. Iโ€™m going to read A Sign of Affection (Iโ€™ve bought the book) but I would like to find my way through the scary stories Iโ€™ve missed.

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Isnโ€™t ใƒ‰ใƒณใƒƒ an onomatopoeic thud or knock?

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Yes!

Think of onomatopoeia + ใจ as โ€˜with aโ€ฆโ€™

ใฉใ‚“ใฃใจ

โ€˜with a โ€˜don!โ€™โ€™

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This is really useful! Much easier than thinking of adverbs.

Iโ€™ve updated the vocab sheet - I hope thatโ€™s ok?

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As long as youโ€™re reasonably sure that the definition is correct, itโ€™s totally fine to add to the vocab sheet!

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็”ฐๅŠฉใฏใ€ใƒ‰ใƒณใƒƒใจใ€ใ˜ใถใ‚“ใฎใ“ใ—ใ‚’ ใชใใ‚Šใคใ‘ใ‚‹ใจใ€ใใฃใจใ€ใ†ใงใ‚’ ใใ‚“ใงใ€ใ˜ใ‚ใ‚“ใ‚’ใซใ‚‰ใฟใชใŒใ‚‰ ใ‚ใ‚‹ใๅง‹ใ‚ใŸใ€‚

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Tasuke, with a thud,
hit (himself on the back / his back),
suddenly,
crossed his arms,
while staring at the ground,
begins to walk.

โ€ฆใชใใ‚Šใคใ‘ใ‚‹ใจ,โ€ฆ
What is this ใจ doing? Is it โ€œwhenโ€?
A ใจ B - when A then B?

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ๅŠ›ใ˜ใพใ‚“ใฎ ็”ฐๅŠฉใงใ‚‚ใ€ใ‚„ใฃใฑใ‚Š ใŠใฐใ‘ใฎ ใ†ใ‚ใ•ใฏ ใ„ใ„ ใใฟใฎ ใ‚‚ใ‚“ใ˜ใ‚ƒใ‚ใชใ„ใ€‚

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Even for the strong Tasuke,
as expected,
the rumour of the ghost was not a good feeling.

ใ„ใ„ ใใฟ๏ผˆๆฐ—ๅ‘ณ๏ผ‰ใฎ ใ‚‚ใ‚“ - good feeling thing?

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Page 123 Sentence 2

ใ‚ใ‚‹ ใ‚€ใ‚‰ใฏใ™ใ‚Œ ใซใ€ใ‹ใœใตใใจใ†ใ’ ใจใ„ใ†ใ€ใ•ใณใ—ใ„ ใจใ†ใ’ใŒ ใ‚ใฃใŸใใ†ใชใ€‚

At the outskirts of a certain Village called โ€œKazefukitougeโ€ seems to be a lonely mountain Pass.

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ใ€Œใชใซใ„ใ€‚ใ“ใ‚“ใชใ ใจใƒผใ€‚ใ‚ใ‚“ใช ใ‹ใŠใ ใ‹ ใ“ใ‚“ใช ใ‹ใŠใ ใ‹ ใ—ใ‚‰ใชใ„ใŒใ€ ใŠใ‚ŒใŒ ใ„ใฃใกใ‚‡ใ†ใ€ใฒใญใ‚Šใคใถใ—ใฆ ใ‚„ใ‚‹ใ‚ใ„ใ€‚ใ€

ใชใซใ„ใ€‚What?
ใ“ใ‚“ใชใ ใจใƒผใ€‚If itโ€™s this Kind of face.
ใ‚ใ‚“ใช ใ‹ใŠใ ใ‹ that amount / number of face
ใ“ใ‚“ใช ใ‹ใŠใ ใ‹ this amount / number of face
ใ—ใ‚‰ใชใ„ใŒใ€ to Not know
ใŠใ‚ŒใŒ ใ„ใฃใกใ‚‡ใ†ใ€ใฒใญใ‚Šใคใถใ—ใฆ ใ‚„ใ‚‹ใ‚ใ„ใ€‚
I give a pinch once

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ใ‚€ใ‚‰ ใ„ใกใฐใ‚“ ใฎ ใกใ‹ใ‚‰ใ‚‚ใก ใฎ ใŸใ™ใ‘ ใฏใ€ใ“ใ† ใ‚ใ‚ใ„ใŸ ใ‚‚ใ‚“ใ˜ใ‚ƒใ€‚

The strongest man of the Village Tasuke, yelled.

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ใ‚ใ‚‹ใฒใฎใ“ใจใ€‚

About one day.

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ใŸใ™ใ‘ใฏใ€ใจใชใ‚Šใ‚€ใ‚‰ ใพใง ใ‚ˆใ†ใŸใ—ใซ ใงใ‹ใ‘ใŸใ€‚

Tasuke went Out running errands Up to the neighboring Village.

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I went with โ€œIโ€™ll crush itโ€

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Throughout

I think my understanding has improved by going with โ€˜such aโ€™ for ใ“ใ‚“ใช.

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ใฟใกใ‚’ ใ‚†ใšใ‚ใ†ใจ ใ—ใฆใ€็”ฐๅŠฉใŒ ๅณใธ ใ‚ˆใ‚Œใฐใ€ใ‚€ใ“ใ†ใ‹ใ‚‰ ใใ‚‹ ไบบใ‹ใ’ใ‚‚ ๅณใธ ใ‚ˆใฃใฆ ใใ‚‹ใ€‚

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ใฟใกใ‚’ ใ‚†ใšใ‚ใ†ใจ ใ—ใฆใ€
Attempting to give way, (ใ€œใ‚ˆใ†๏ผ‹ใจ๏ผ‹ใ™ใ‚‹ - to attempt to๏ผ‰

็”ฐๅŠฉใŒ ๅณใธ ใ‚ˆใ‚Œใฐใ€
If Tasuke steps to the right, (conditional ใฐ๏ผ‰ใ‚ˆใ‚‹ - in the sense of to approach?, to gather?

ใ‚€ใ“ใ†ใ‹ใ‚‰ ใใ‚‹ ไบบใ‹ใ’ใ‚‚
the shadow of a person coming from the other way also (noun phrase)

ๅณใธ ใ‚ˆใฃใฆ ใใ‚‹
steps to the right

If someone could check this, Iโ€™d be grateful.

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Page 125 Sentence 3

ใ‹ใˆใ‚Šใฟใกใ€‚

On the way home.

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ใ™ใฃใ‹ใ‚Š ใใ‚‰ใ ใชใฃใŸ ใ‚„ใพใฟใกใ‚’ใ€ใŸใ™ใ‘ใฏใ€ใตใ‚‰ใ‚Šใตใ‚‰ใ‚Šใจ ใ‚ใ‚‹ใ„ใฆ ใŠใฃใŸใ€‚

Tasuke was walking feebly on the the mountain road that has become completely dark.

ใŠใฃใŸ / ใŠใ‚‹ after the te-Form of a Verb indicates a continuing Action or state. (-ing)

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ใ€ŒใƒผใŠใฃโ€ฆโ€ฆใ€‚ใ“ใฎ ใ‚ใŸใ‚Šใฏใ€ ใ‹ใœใตใใจใ†ใ’โ€ฆโ€ฆใ€‚ใ€

Oh! This area / around Here is Kazefukitouge.

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ใŸใ™ใ‘ใฏใ€ใจใ†ใ’ใฎ ใฆใฃใบใ‚“ใงใ€ใตใ‚‹ใฃใจ ใฟใถใ‚‹ใ„ใ—ใฆใ€‚

At the top of the mountain Pass Tasuke was shivering with a cold.

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ใ‚ดใƒผใƒƒ ใ‚ดใƒผใƒƒ ใ‚ถ ใ‚ถใƒผใƒƒ

Are These the Sounds of Thunder and heavy Rainfall?

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I just got here. So ใชใ„ shortened to ใ‚“ and ใฎใ‹ใ€‚[1]


  1. ใฎใ‹ is simply a way of asking a direct question, but with a slightly different nuance to the question marker ใ‹ alone. It tends to imply that the questioner is doubting the object of the question โ†ฉ๏ธŽ

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Tofugu has:

ใ”ใƒผใฃ A strong wind raging
ใ–ใƒผใฃ Wind violently shaking tree leaves

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p. 126 ็”ฐๅŠฉใฏใƒ‰ใƒณใƒƒใจใ€ใ˜ใถใ‚“ใฎ ใ“ใ—ใ‚’ ใชใใ‚Šใคใ‘ใ‚‹ใจใ€ใ†ใงใ‚’ใใ‚“ใงใ€ ใ˜ใ‚ใ‚“ใ‚’ใซใ‚‰ใฟใชใŒใ‚‰ ใ‚ใ‚‹ใใฏใ˜ใ‚ใŸใ€‚

Yes, I think in this case (and often at the end of phrases such as this) the ใจ is an if/whenใจ, rather than a โ€œquoteใจโ€ or an โ€œandใจโ€

If youโ€™re in the mood to read (I didnโ€™t have time today LOL), here is Tofugu on โ€˜conditional ใจโ€™.) Its emphasis seems more on on what might happen, rather than here as what did happen

Itโ€™s discussed her at the end of a loong Ammo with Misa โ€˜whenใจโ€™

And Kanshudo points out that format, which we see here, of plain form Verb + ใจ = when/ifใจ

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p. 126 ๅŠ›ใ˜ใพใ‚“ใฎ ็”ฐๅŠฉใงใ‚‚ใ€ใ‚„ใฃใฑใ‚Š ใŠใฐใ‘ใฎ ใ†ใ‚ใ•ใฏใ€ใ„ใ„ ใใฟใฎ ใ‚‚ใ‚“ใ˜ใ‚ƒใ‚ใชใ„ใ€‚

I โ€œpuntedโ€ on ใ„ใ„ ใใฟ, since ใ„ใ„ๆฐ—ๅ‘ณ was in Jisho as โ€œserves him rightโ€โ€ฆ
And it made sense here about his braggingโ€ฆ

Takoboto on ใ‚‚ใ‚“ as short for ใ‚‚ใฎ to indicate an emotional thing (โ€“serves him right!= Emotional opinion)

ๅŠ›่‡ชๆ…ขใฎ็”ฐๅŠฉใงใ‚‚ใ€ใ‚„ใฃใฑใ‚ŠใŠๅŒ–ใ‘ใฎๅ™‚ใฏใ€ใ„ใ„ๆ„ๅ‘ณใฎใ‚‚ใ‚“ใ˜ใ‚ƒใ‚ใชใ„ใ€‚
Rough translation:

(Power boastใฎ ็”ฐๅŠฉ)(even if), (in the end) (ghostใฎrumorใฏ) (he got what he deserved= serves him right")(emotionalใฎใ‚‚ใ‚“)(NOT)

Localized interp:

Although Tasuke bragged about his power, in the end he did not deserve what he gotใฎใ‚‚ใ‚“!

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That looks correct to me.
I looked up โ€œJapanese grammar ใใ†ใชโ€ to find Tofugu on Verbใใ†
Itโ€™s the ใพใ™Verb stem from ใ‚ใŸใ‚‹โ€ฆ I dunno why itโ€™s not ใใ†ใงใ™โ€ฆ But it does give rise to your inclusion of โ€œseems to beโ€ in your interpretation! :+1:

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I havenโ€™t had time to check every question in detail so just jumping in here, but yeah ใใ† can be used to mean โ€˜seems to beโ€™ for hearsay.

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@soggyboy , I checked them all for youโ€ฆ

I interpreted these garbled questioning incomplete sentences without โ€œamountโ€ but more to questioning โ€œquality/sourceโ€:
ใ‚ใ‚“ใช ใ‹ใŠใ ใ‹ (that face) is (ใ‹???)
ใ“ใ‚“ใช ใ‹ใŠใ ใ‹ (this face) is (ใ‹???)

Oh! What AWR said using โ€œsuch aโ€ is equivalent

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For this section:
ใ‚€ใ“ใ†ใ‹ใ‚‰ ใใ‚‹ ไบบใ‹ใ’ใ‚‚
the shadow of a person coming from the other way also (noun phrase)
I would keep ใ‚‚also attached to the Noun, ไบบใ‹ใ’
So the English might be
the shadow person also came from the other side

For ใ‚ˆใ‚‹ โ†’ ใ‚ˆใ‚Œใฐ, I like sense 1 from Jisho on ใ‚ˆใ‚‹ best here, โ€œto approachโ€

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