Phonetic mark for 乗 and 剰?

I was wondering if 乗 (ride) is a phonetic mark じょう since 剰 (surplus) also has the same on’yomi じょう. But the phonetic-semantic composition extension says that:

The kanji 「乗」 has an unknown or contested origin, or its phonetic mark is too obscure to be useful. Stay tuned for more information in future versions.

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That’s odd, because the Yellowbridge dictionary says that “刂 (knife) suggests the meaning while 乘 provides the sound”.

https://www.yellowbridge.com/chinese/character-etymology.php?zi=剩

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Hi @acm2010, first: thanks for the script! second: what do you think of the issue raised in the above posts?

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Hi, I think I wasn’t sure if 乗 == 乘, so I left it empty. (Sometimes kanji look very similar but have no relation.)

It seems they are the same, I will update it in the database.

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Thanks! I understand that you are using the historical information but what do you think about a computational approach? Something like this: https://namakajiri.net/nikki/testing-the-power-of-phonetic-components-in-japanese-kanji/

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