Patterns of use - verbal noun

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Hi,

Not sure if this should go on the feedback category, but I’ve seen for example here: https://www.wanikani.com/vocabulary/作業 on patterns of use there is に and を, but if this is a verbal noun, it should also mean “to do work”, right? Does this mean 作業する is the same as 作業をする? Should there be a pattern of use for suru verbs so we understand the meaning difference if any?

Thanks.

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@Mods what do you think?

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Yes, to put it simply, but you may have to tweak the the particles you use on other words in the sentence depending on which form you use.

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Nice, thanks! Then my guess is correct and if it says “verbal noun” it is implied whatever+suru is possible and then there are examples of other valid constructions :smile:

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Hey! Before I pass this on, I want to clarify what’s being asked. Are you saying you want verbal noun entries to include a する entry? So for example, the 作業 item would have:
作業を〜
作業に〜
作業する

And this is to clarify the difference between 作業する and 作業をする, is that correct?

So perhaps first I should find out if there is a difference between 作業する and 作業をする that could be quickly demonstrated in translation. Would that be a good first step?

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Hi!

Yes, that is what I expected, or at least to be one example of use below inside the Context Sentences section. If I don’t know exactly what a verbal noun is, then from looking at the page I don’t know that 作業する exists or what does it mean.

I’ve also seen some examples of words that are tagged as verbal nouns, like https://www.wanikani.com/vocabulary/心配 which then there is a separate entry like https://www.wanikani.com/vocabulary/心配する so I’m not really sure what is the rule to make 2 different cards, and even whether verbal noun means automatically that a する version exists. If it is so, IMHO, I’d leave just the basic version and include a する entry like you say on every such case, so there is consistency.

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I asked the content team about the difference between verbal noun forms like 作業をする and 作業する. Whether or not this results in a change to how patterns of use are handled, I can’t say, but we’ll get this question answered.

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