NHK NEWS Easy Discussion?

[veewren]

Hi all!

Would anybody be interested in regularly reading articles from the NHK easy news website (NEWS WEB EASY) and discussing them (either in English or Japanese, or some combination thereof?)

[Saruko]

Maybe. At least, I think I would like it if there were an ongoing discussion thread that I could pop into from time to time.

How were you thinking of having it organized?

[Kumirei]

I wouldn’t participate, but it sounds like a good idea

[MallowMallsoft]

That sounds pretty cool. There’s a couple ways you could run the forum topic, either pick an article of the day and have everyone discuss that, or just have it an open thing people link to whatever they’ve read so that others can pick which ones to talk about. The first one might be easier for some people to engage with since they don’t have to make decisions and new activity will happen consistently, with the drawbacks being that not everyone may be interested in the chosen article of the day or otherwise would have rather discussed another.

[Raionus]

Not really an answer to your question but you might find this subreddit useful

[Korastra]

I like the idea! I’ve been needing to force myself to participate in reading practice so this would be a great opportunity.

[curiousjp]

@veewren

Hi all!

Hi veewren,

I have appeared out of the mists of time to revive your thread.

I’ve made a habit of reading at least two articles from NHKNE every day (usually on the train… 電車で語, hey), and - as I’m translating them anyway - I would be happy to post here and discuss the grammar and word usage with other people.

I think people might be surprised at how easy the articles are to read, particularly with the colour-coding and furigana turned on. I am in the early stages of writing something that uses mecab to isolate words from text input to generate vocabulary lists - this thread might make a good testing range for that as well.

[curiousjp]

天皇陛下が即位したことをお祝いするパレード

English language version (considerably more detailed.)

Vocabulary list (in descending order of frequency):

車 — 天皇陛下 — 人 — 即位 — お祝い — 午後 — 通り — 見る — 来る — 振る — 日 — 東京 — 時 — 皇后 — 乗せる — 皇居 — 出発 — 弟 — 秋篠宮 — 警察 — 台 — 一緒 — 進む — 万 — 通る — 言う — 日本 — 旗 — 二 — 笑顔 — 手 — 時半 — 赤坂 — 御所 — 着く — 終わる — 静岡 — 県 — 女性 — 天気 — 話す.

My attempted reading of the article:

Parade to celebrate the accession of his Majesty the Emperor

On [November] 10th, a parade was held in Tokyo to celebrate the accession of his Highness the Emperor.

At around three o’clock P.M., the car bearing the Emperor and Empress departed the Imperial Palace. It drove slowly down the street, accompanied by the car of the Emperor’s younger brother, Crown Prince Akishino, and 46 vehicles, such as police motorcycles.

Along the roadside were 119,000 people who had come to see the parade. As the [Emperor’s] car passed by, they said “Congratulations!”, waved Japanese flags, and so forth. The honored pair smiled and waved to everybody.

After 3:30 P.M., the [Emperor’s] car arrived at the Imperial Residence in Akasaka, finishing the parade.

A woman who had come from Shizuoka Prefecture said, “I was glad to see [the parade]. And the weather was nice, too!”

Note: Does 進む imply that the Emperor’s car was preceded by the Crown Prince and the police motorcade? It seems to have both meanings.

The interesting grammar point for me in this was the ～たり…～たりする item. This is apparently JLPT4 and yet I can’t remember seeing it anywhere until quite recently. (-_- ) The use of すぎ as a suffix on time is also something I can’t remember seeing before.

I’m hoping to modify the thing I wrote to generate the vocabulary list to include furigana and wanikani levels where available. It will need a bit of tinkering because of the way the parser (mecab) splits the words up.

[plantron]

@Kumirei

It sounds like a good idea, but I wouldn’t participate

[tel003a]

It’s too easy

[Atlas101]

This needs to become a thing asap!

[curiousjp]

ＡＩで昔の字を正しく読むシステムを作るコンテスト

I couldn’t find the English version easily, so here is the twitter of someone working in this area.

Vocabulary list (in descending order of frequency):

字じ — 読むよむ — 正しくただしく — 作るつくる — 昔むかし — 日本にっぽん — 書くかく — 使うつかう — 利用りよう — 何なに — 人ひと — 土井どい — 資料しりょう — 形かたち — 崩すくずす — 難しいむずかしい — 人文じんぶん — 学がく — 共同きょうどう — 今いま — 直すなおす — 行うおこなう — 外国がいこく — 会社かいしゃ — 出るでる — 千せん — 枚まい — 写真しゃしん — 競争きょうそう — 優勝ゆうしょう — 中国ちゅうごく — 正しいただしい — 日本人にっぽんじん — 福岡ふくおか — 県けん — 賢治けんじ — 番ばん — 以上いじょう — 億おく — 冊さつ — 大切たいせつ — 手伝うてつだう — 思うおもう — 話すはなす.

My attempted reading of the article:

A contest to make AI powered systems for correctly reading old [fashioned] characters

In ancient Japan, characters called “Kuzushiji” were often used. With kuzushiji, the shapes are written in cursive, so they are difficult characters to read correctly.[1]

At the Center for Open Data in the Humanities, AI has been used to build a system to convert kuzushiji into modern characters. Now, using that system, they have taken part in a contest for systems that make kuzushiji easier to read. About 300 teams from companies and so on entered, from Japan and overseas. The competition was for the most accurate readings of thousands of photographs featuring kuzushiji.

The winners were a team from China, who achieved a 95% correct reading. Amongst the Japanese entrants, a system written by one person, Fukuoka Prefecture’s Kenji Doi, was third. Mr Doi’s system was able to read correctly more than 94% [of the time].

A representative of the Center said, “Japan has hundreds of millions of volumes of historical primary sources written in kuzushiji. I think AI will help us in reading these important records.”

A subject dear to all of our hearts: reading cursive. Do all NHK News Easy articles end with a quote?

[1] Should 形を崩して書くの be instead best understood as “the shapes are made wobbly as they are written”, or can the set phrase (くずしがき) “cursive style of writing” be, itself, inflected as I have interpreted it here (losing its rendaku in the process?)

[curiousjp]

サウジアラビアで日本のアニメを集めた初めてのイベント

English: Japanese animation event opens in Saudi Arabia.

Vocabulary list (in descending order of frequency):

日本にほん — 初はじめて — 会かい場じょう — 集あつめる — イスラム教きょう — 国くに — 人じん — 開ひらく — 楽たのしむ — 女じょ性せい — 着きる — 服ふく — 話はなす — 見みる — 長ながい — 間あいだ — 映えい画が — 禁きん止し — 最さい近きん — 石せき油ゆ — 以い外がい — 産さん業ぎょう — 盛さかん — 外がい国こく — 出でる — 首しゅ都と — 日ひ — 進しん撃げき — 巨きょ人じん — 中ちゅう東とう — 人にん気き — 黒くろい — 多おおい — 商しょう品ひん — 買かう — 高こう校こう生せい — 外そと — 時じ間かん — 待まつ — 機き会かい — 大だい学がく生せい.

My attempted reading of the article:

Because of its status as an Islamic country, things like movies and concerts have been prohibited in Saudi Arabia for a long time. Recently, however, there have been a lot of events and concerts featuring foreigners, held for the purpose of promoting industries besides the oil sector.

Starting on the 14th of [November], the first event for collectors of Japanese anime was held in the capital, Riyadh. At the convention hall you can enjoy things like Attack on Titan, Naruto, and other anime videos and games that are also popular in the Middle East. Many people wearing the kind of black women’s clothes seen in Islamic countries were present in the convention hall, but there were also people dressed as anime characters.

“I waited outside the convention hall for two hours. This was my first time doing this kind of thing, so I was really happy,” said a high school student who had bought some character merchandise. “Here I was able to finally enjoy anime I had only ever seen on the internet before,” said a university student.

I would love a second opinion or sentence diagram regarding 「イスラム教の国の女性が着る黒い服」. Is the whole thing one giant noun, “(adj: worn by feminine persons of Islamic countries) (adj: black) (clothing)”?

For anyone following the thread, apologies for the missing update yesterday - I am still trying to fix the vocabulary-nator script to automatically repair the 長音符 that mecab introduces into the generated furigana, because it renders all readings in katakana!

[NLeseul]

@curiousjp

I would love a second opinion or sentence diagram regarding 「イスラム教の国の女性が着る黒い服」. Is the whole thing one giant noun, “(adj: worn by feminine persons of Islamic countries) (adj: black) (clothing)”?

Looks like it, yes. The main noun is 「服」, modified by two descriptive clauses: The single adjective 「黒い」, and the longer relative clause ending in 「着る」. Everything else is just a chain of nouns joined with の that all work as the が-marked subject of 「着る」.

As usual, the の chain kind of works backwards. Women are the subject. What women?—The women from some country/countries. What countries?—The ones that are Islamic.

It was a bit weird when I started seeing sentences where an adjective immediately follows a verb like that, but it generally just means that both the verb and the adjective are modifying the same noun that comes afterwards.

[CPTSnowflake]

I would be interested! Would the discussions be based here or on a like a discord somewhere? Would these be done everyday when then release new stories? Sounds fun and interesting to discuss different translations/interpretations of stories. From what I remember the /r/nhkeasy subreddit was not very active.

Also, if you have an iPhone you should checkout the “Easy Japanese” app. It used to be limited to NHK Published news articles but within the last year it as expanded to most major news sources and media outlets. It’ll sort out articles based on their difficulty and also has a built in dictionary and all that jazz; it’s pretty cool (I’m not getting paid; I just really like the app).

[veewren]

Hey all! Sorry for making and then sort of abandoning this thread. It seems like @curiousjp has a better grip on how we would do this than I do. Any proposals for how stories could be selected or discussed are welcome.

I am reading this article today: NEWS WEB EASY|工事をしているビルから物が落ちて人が亡くなる事故が多い

[curiousjp]

I haven’t forgotten either! Just life getting busy at the moment.

[_Marcus]

Yes, there definitely needs to be a dedicated NHK Easy-news thread! Thank you for suggesting it @veewren, and thank you for showing us how it could be done @curiousjp!

I thought about this because I’ve just watched the latest NHK-Easy-News breakdown video by the wonderful Foxumon. My apologies for reviving an old thread, but it is such a good idea.

[anon1900724]

I, too, want this thread to prosper!

Lots of corona virus articles with similiar vocab, so it should be relatively easy to jump on in .

@curiousjp

Do all NHK News Easy articles end with a quote?

Oh my god, yes! They´re so repetitive i swear lol.

[mmm333]

I would love to have an article of the day kind of thing! Often I just read the headlines and not read the full article because I’m not super excited about the topic. An article of the day would probably encourage me to actually read an article a day.