Learning with songs

[RoseWagsBlue]

Does any one else out there need music for learning?
I like children’s songs, so I am working on many of the songs on this page.
I listen to them while I work. I especially like the elephant song, the first grader song, the peach boy, and sakura. The great thing about kids songs is that one can usually figure out how to sing them and play them easily. From a language learners point of view, you pick up strange little bits of cultural knowledge too, like promising to drink one thousand needles for breaking a promise! (from a music theory point of view, I really like the unique modes that songs like Sakura are in … the banjo is ideally suited for these songs, because you just re-tune to suit the mode).

Beyond that, I don’t really know where to start with Japanese pop music, or hip-hop, or rock. I have been listening to cornelius, because I enjoy drony stuff, but I am not going to learn much Japanese from that.

Music is a big, open ended topic. But what I really have in mind is good music that I can enjoy, plus pick up some language skills from. (for instance I enjoy both Bob Dylan and Kurt Cobain, but I wouldn’t want to learn English from their records )

[RoseWagsBlue]

Sakura Sakura

This is the first song that I am working on. I have been listening to a bunch of versions of it for a couple of weeks at work, Yesterday, I messed around trying to find the melody with some different banjo tunings. Essentially, it is some kind of a weird minory pentatonic mode. The lyrics are simple, and refer to very japanese things like cherry blossoms and mist and clouds, so I figure that I will learn some good Japanese words and kanji too.
I settled on the tuning gCGCD, often called double C tuning. The advantage of alternate tunings with traditional modes is that you can forget about what you know about chords. Tune the instrument to notes within the scale, then play the tune with some double stops and see what good harmonies emerge. In this instance, although I have the instrument in a “C” tuning, I am actually playing in some flavor of “G”. It is the Ab in the scale that gives this tune its flavor and tension.
So, here is a real rough tab of where the melody lies. Pretty much any banjoy (or guitary) things that you can do on the open strings around the melody end up sounding good.
I will post an mp3 on banjo and maybe guitar very shortly.
Lyrics:
さくら さくら やよいのそらは
みわたすかぎり かすみかくむか
においぞいずる いざや いざや
みにやか ん

桜 桜 弥生の空は
見渡す限り 霞 か 曇 か
匂い ぞ 出ずる いざや いざや
見に行か ん

Tab:
D|--------------------|-----------------------|--------------------|--------0--------------|
C|—0—0—2-------|----0—0—2--------|—0—2—3—2—|—0-----0-----------|
G|--------------------|-----------------------|--------------------|--------------1-------|
C|--------------------|-----------------------|--------------------|----------------------|
g|--------------------|-----------------------|--------------------|----------------------|

D|-----------------------|--------------------------|--------------------|--------0--------------|
C|-----------------------|--------------------------|—0—2—3—2—|—0-----0-----------|
G|—0---------0----1—|—0—0-----------------|--------------------|--------------1-------|
C|--------3--------------|----------3-- 2----------|--------------------|-----------------------|
g|-----------------------|---------------------------|--------------------|-----------------------|

D|-----------------------|--------------------------|--------------------|-----------------------|
C|-----------------------|--------------------------|—0—0—2-------|----0—0—2--------|
G|—0---------0----1—|—0—0-----------------|--------------------|-----------------------|
C|--------3--------------|----------3-- 2----------|--------------------|-----------------------|
g|-----------------------|--------------------------|--------------------|-----------------------|

D|-------------0------------|-------------------------|
C|----------------0---------|-------------------------|
G|—0—1------------1----|----0-------------------|
C|---------------------------|------------------------|
g|---------------------------|------------------------|

D|—10—10—12------|—10—10—12------|—10—12—13—12—|—10—12-10-------------|
C|------------------------|-----------------------|---------------------------|----------------------------|
G|------------------------|-----------------------|---------------------------|------------------13-------|
C|------------------------|-----------------------|---------------------------|----------------------------|
g|------------------------|-----------------------|---------------------------|----------------------------|

D|----------------------|--------------------|—10—12—13—12—|----10—12-10-------------|
C|----7--------7—8—|—7—7-----------|---------------------------|-----------------------------|
G|--------8-------------|---------8–7------|---------------------------|-------------------13-------|
C|----------------------|--------------------|---------------------------|-----------------------------|
g|----------------------|--------------------|---------------------------|-----------------------------|

D|----------------------|--------------------|—10—10—12------|—10—10—12------|
C|----7--------7—8—|—7—7-----------|------------------------|-----------------------|
G|--------8-------------|---------8–7------|------------------------|-----------------------|
C|----------------------|--------------------|------------------------|-----------------------|
g|----------------------|--------------------|------------------------|-----------------------|

D|----------------12-10--------|------------------------|
C|-------------------------------|------------------------|
G|—12----13-------------13–|–12-------------------|
C|-------------------------------|------------------------|
g|-------------------------------|------------------------|

I hope that this tab turns out all right in this post. I couldn’t notate the time, but if you listen to the melody a few times , it should be simple.
In my next post, I will pick apart the kanji.

[phyro]

Japanese songs tend to have really poetic lyrics, sometimes even the pop songs. I’ve always found them harder to parse than character dialogue in anime or tv shows. It’s definitely fun to learn how to sing them though (even if I’m not the greatest singer). Not sure if you’re into anime songs, but I recently learned this one. ひぐらしのなく頃に こころむすび(Kokoro Musubi) - YouTube

It was a little difficult, but I learned a lot of useful words/phrases like 辿り着いて or 掴み取る.

[kreayhun]

@RoseWagsBlue

cornelius

I’m really happy to read your post , I’m from mexico and I have learned english from rock , metal , hip hop songs , really , is rare when I sing or listen to songs in spanish , and I also wanted to search for music I like in japanese so I can start using this method but japanese music is very intense, I cannot find something I really dig because I think it tends to be very gothic or brutal , or very cute like kyary and even though I love kyary pamyu pamyu

In my search I have found a rock band called 八十八ヶ所巡礼 (88kasyo junrei) , but the lyrics are very difficult to understand for me at this level .

Also I found a pop artist called Tomoko Aran from the 80´s . I think the lyrics are not very difficult, I’ll leave you her album, is pure gold <3 (

Tomoko Aran (亜蘭知子) - Fuyü-Kükan (浮遊空間) (1983) [Album]

more 80´s pop music

JUNKO OHASHI-Dancin'

Junko Ohashi - I Love You So

Mai Yamane - Tasogare - 1980

[RoseWagsBlue]

Thanks. I listened to that song. Maybe I will add it to my “songs to learn” list.
I find that if I learn a song, it is stuck up in my brain forever. Music has great links to memory, like smells and tastes and images do.

[RoseWagsBlue]

Thanks! Definitely 1980’s! I could listen to Tomoko Aran very easily.
I like the Mia Yamane too. Sounds like Dione Warwick.
Thanks again! There is so much to devour in Japanese language, music and culture.

[johnDoe]

Ayumi Hamasaki Trust

赤い糸なんて信じてなかった
運命はつかむものだと思った
はやすぎる速度で取り巻
世界にはいつしか疲れて
愛情を救いの手も求め続けたけど

※届きたい いつか私は私に
あなたから見つけてもらえた瞬間
あの日から強くなれる気がしてた
自分を誇ることできるから

※※あきらめるなんてもうしたくなくて
じゃまする過去達に手を振ったよ
初めて私に教えてくれたね
何が一番大切かを

迷ったりもしたそばにいることを
誰かキズついてしまう気がしてた
本当の優しさどこかで
間違って覚えていたんだ
周りばかり気にするのは もう終わりにしよう

口びるにすこし近付き始める
永遠なんて見たことないけど
今のふたりなら信じられるハズ
もうひとりぼっちじゃないから

恋が皆いつか終わるわけじゃない
長い夜もやがて明ける様に
自分を信じて ひとつ踏み出して
歩いていけそうな気がするよ

(※くり返し)
(※※くり返し)

[RoseWagsBlue]

Awesome! It is so great to be able to start following the words to things a little bit!

[amaletin]

Hi.

Your topic finally made me to post something to WK forum)

And first question is why not to learn English with Cobain’s and Dylan’s songs? Nirvana was one of first bands whose lyrics I started to understand in English (my first is Russian). Well, thats maybe the reason why it’s such bad)

As for Japanese, I like some Japanese bands but right now my favourite one is Boris. Found them when they were a support act for NIN. They are usually referred as drown/sludge metal, but they have albums in wide range of genres. Here is a their pop-rock albums “New Album” and “Attention Please”. There were several times when I learned new vocab on WK and was like “Ahhh, that what they were singing”. It was a great help for memorising.

Also several years ago I really liked Syrup16g. They were kinda nice.

[RoseWagsBlue]

Thanks.
Very funny. In America, everyone has always joked about how Bob Dylan mumbles his words. He has been criticized constantly over the years for this. It is kind of a joke here.

The same goes for Kurt Cobain. Many years ago, Weird Al Yankovitch did a cover of “Smells like Teen Spirit” called “Smells Like Nirvana.” I will always remember the marbles coming out of Weird Al’s mouth.

https://youtu.be/FklUAoZ6KxY

I am a fan of both Dylan and Cobain, so I am used to hearing people joke about their enunciation.

I will look up Boris, because I like NIN.

[johnDoe]

The lyrics were pretty poor too (for nirvana at least)

[RoseWagsBlue]

Here is my breakdown of Sakura. The words and lyrics are from Wikipedia.
It has been three months since I decided to get serious about the Japanese language. Reading the hiragana for this song, I suddenly realized that although my kanji is still very primitive, I can can fluently sound out hiragana and katakana with no problem. That in itself is progress.

Cherry blossoms, cherry blossoms,
In fields, mountains and villages
As far as the eye can see.
Is it mist, or clouds?
Fragrant in the morning sun.
Cherry blossoms, cherry blossoms,
Flowers in full bloom.

Cherry blossoms, cherry blossoms,
Across the spring sky,
As far as the eye can see.
Is it mist, or clouds?
Fragrant in the air.
Come now, come now,
Let’s go and see them! (Wikipedia translation)

桜 桜
野山も里も
見渡す限り
霞か雲か
朝日に匂う
桜 桜
花ざかり

桜 桜
弥生の空は
見渡す限り
霞か雲か
匂いぞ 出ずる
いざや いざや
見に行かん

Vocabulary:
桜 さくら Cherry tree or cherry blossom. Common proper name for people or places.
野山 のやま mountains
も も also
里 さと village
見渡す みわたす to look out over
限り かぎり limits (noun)
霞 かすみ mist
か か particle for question
雲 くも cloud
朝日 あさひ morning sun
に に in
匂う におう smell, fragrant
花 はな flower
弥生 やよい spring
の の 's preposition
空 そら sky
は は topic marker
見に みに to see
行かん ゆかん i am going
行 ぎょう going

出ずる いずる ???
ざかり ざかり ???

There are a few things that I can’t decipher. In the meanwhile, I am going to sing this song all day while I clean the house.

[RoseWagsBlue]

I could never make out any Nirvana words to tell if they were good or not!

[johnDoe]

Polly was a cracker?

[amaletin]

Yeah, I saw that cover video lots of times, it’s really funny)

I’m not saying that their songs are best ways to learn, but I still know lyrics thanks to internet.
I know it’s strange but when I was teen with near zero English knowledge, it was easier to me to understand Cobain’s lyrics than, Linkin Parks (I was a big fan till Minutes to Midnight). So maybe poor lyrics is a bonus actualy))

[RoseWagsBlue]

I couldn’t upload an mp3 here, so I uploaded it to my website, and put in link. Here goes:

http://www.urbanmythcafe.com/music/sakura.mp3

Sorry the recording is so klunky. I was trying too hard to enunciate the melody, I think.

[IFAsurfer]

I just wanna say that this is a lovely thread, it’s so nice to see people discussing music and even translating it

Boris are one of my favourite bands, but I don’t think I know enough Japanese to decipher any of what they sing about, haha. I’m glad they got a mention here though!

I don’t know about songs that might be useful for learning or practicing Japanese. This one might be: AJA - Sound Life ~ REM (Trigun: The First Donuts) - YouTube

it counts up from ひとつ to やっつ in each verse. I first heard the song several months ago and loved it; imagine my surprise when I listened to it again after doing some WK and learning how to count things! it was a really cool moment to realize I knew at least a little bit of what the lyrics meant.

now that I think about it, I think it also has a very familiar, comfortable rhythm that makes it sound a little like a nursery rhyme or children’s song, even? hopefully someone else can pick up on this.

[AzusaChan]

[RoseWagsBlue]

Really dug that song! I am going to take some time and really listen to it.

[pgoonghang]

I always thought the band Shishamo was pretty good for learning because the female vocalist sings pretty clearly.

There’s also that famous song called “sukiyaki” by Kyu Sakamoto. I wonder how that would sound on the banjo!