I think someone was talking about this video, among other things on r/learnjapanese today… Just remember the mention of youtube and putting pentagrams on peoples heads while shitting on how other people learn Japanese and why.
Nothing to add, just apparently this video is a hot topic right now? I don’t really care to watch
I was bored at work. ¯|(ツ)/¯
The input/output thing stank of someone trying to be clever but not really knowing what they are talking about… He said it was his own theory? There is a lot of study already into how people learn and how people learn language!
Wow, listend to the first 5 minutes and it’s striking how much BS was already said oO
A language is never learned through output, even as a native speaker you constantly get corrected in the early years. You are not in any way coming up with things like grammar, you are imitating and get a a feel for what sounds right and natural. The only difference is that learning it formally through „input“ is that you know what the concept behind it is and you can explain it. Most natural speakers cannot do that because they never learned the concept in the first place.
Agreed, and his theory of passive input is similarly BS. I’ve lived in Japan for extended periods of time listening to Japanese conversation and Japanese media. But did my language level improve? Marginally. Active methods are much more effective ways to learn languages. And anyway, mastering a language has different measurements. You could, for example pass the N1 exam without actually being able to speak Japanese.
I’ll watch it someday when I’m free and bored as long as is about language learning I’m all down for that.
I know and respect both guys and their different points of view, everyone has their own methods for learning and what works best for them, after all everyone is different right? there’s no such thing as the perfect method, what I find really wrong is trying to force your method as the “best one” in world for everybody, that is BS and sadly that’s what Matt does a lot and very aggressively sometimes, he needs to chill lol.
Well whatever your methods are, if they work for you and they get you closer to the goal then more power to you.
There’s nothing to watch, really. It’s just two guys with differing points of view having a respectful (audio only) conversation for two hours. It’s maybe half interesting but honestly I didn’t get anything out of it apart from maybe wanting to check out George’s videos sometime when I’m bored. Mostly though it just felt like listening to a couple of typically self-involved youtubers spar with each other endlessly and then pat each other’s backs (I was bored).
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Do we really need to keep linking this crap?
if you want to watch some white guy on Youtube talk about Japanese you’ll learn more from this video
What, learn about language from an actual linguist? We all know academia and formal research exists only to mislead and misguide us, and to keep us from using BESTMETHODS™. Never mind that study shows that active learning is yugely beneficial and that grammar is a tool for learning concepts more easily. The best way to study is to simply be japanese.
I think I’ve learned more from Dogen then I’ve learned from anyone else on youtube lol
I think this is the study you are looking for.
Lol at that Logan Paul reference.
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