よつばと！Vol 1 Discussion Thread (Beginner's Book Club)

[Belthazar]

This is 分 as “part” - ゴミに出す分 = the part that’s being thown in the bin.

I guess it’s some kinda standard phrasing, because it’s sure not how I’d think to write it if I were asked to translate “are you throwing that away?” from English to Japanese.

[ChristopherFritz]

Belthazar already covered this, but this one of those times where one feels every question has already been asked somewhere:

Why use 分 in this question?

@nienque

conveying desire.

Bad translation on Bilingual Manga’s part.

[Kumirei]

@ChristopherFritz

Bad translation on Bilingual Manga’s part.

I wouldn’t go so far as to say it’s a bad translation.

[ChristopherFritz]

Yeah, probably bad judgement on my part =P

I don’t know how literal they intend their translations to be. I’d go with “are you going to throw that away” rather than “do you want to throw that away” if I were aiming for more literal.

[Phryne]

Page 17

しっかり / して / んなぁー / と思って

I can see how this would mean ‘I think you’re being so reliable’, but how does the んなぁー factor into that translation?

[Kazzeon]

しっかりしてんな is most likely しっかりしているな。

R row + N row can become nn, like so:
入るな = 入んな for ease of pronunciation.

I don’t have access to the page right now, but I can check it later if no one else does.

[Phryne]

Very interesting! How did you learn about these contraction rules? Is there a book or website you used?

EDIT: here’s a list I found on Wikipedia, though I’d love to learn more.

[_Marcus]

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しっかりしてんなぁーと思って

@Kazzeon

しっかりしてんな is most likely しっかりしているな

Can I just check… in that sentence, the な is the sentence ending な isn’t it?
I ask because I didn’t know that it could come before と思う, but it makes perfect sense. Thank you!

[Belthazar]

@nienque

How did you learn about these contraction rules?

For me, I think it was pretty much just lots and lots of exposure.

[Kazzeon]

The hard way, baby.

The one I mention is the last one in colloquial contractions, but just reading Yotsuba, haha.

Quoting myself for the third time:

よつばと! Vol 5 Discussion Thread (Yotsuba&! Reading Club)

The slang seems to be the problem. くんな → 来んな → 来るな This is relatively common, we also see it in はいんな → 入んな on page 70 and 71. Quoting myself, if I may: We see here that やっていられない becomes やってられない and finally やてらんない. So, we can gather that R sounds, that is, れ and る (at least), become ん before N sounds. It’s a way to say less, I’d say, because of how sounds work.

Examples

[image] In this case, he’s saying, “I will go to the convenience store, okay?” Instead of 来るな as you …

[Phryne]

@Kazzeon

The hard way, baby.

Story of my Japanese life

[Kazzeon]

@marcusp

Can I just check… in that sentence, the な is the sentence ending な isn’t it?

Yep.

[_Marcus]

Thank you!

[Phryne]

What’s the て doing there on page 79?

そういえばよつばちゃんてどっから引っ越してきたの？

[_Marcus]

@nienque

What’s the て doing there on page 79?

そういえばよつばちゃん て どっから引っ越してきたの？

I think て is acting as an informal topic marker, instead of は.

Just did a little search and found a question about this on Stack Exchange.

[Phryne]

That’d make sense in this context. Does it matter that it lacks the small tsu?

[_Marcus]

No idea! I guess not…

[Saimin]

@marcusp

What’s the て doing there on page 79?

そういえばよつばちゃん て どっから引っ越してきたの？

I think て is acting as an informal topic marker, instead of は.

Just did a little search and found a question about this on Stack Exchange .

Yeah, makes sense. Found it on Bunpro as well.

I guess the small っ can be left out informally, doesn’t make much of a difference for how it sounds.

[valkow]

You can leave out the little っ after a ん! Per wiktionary, under usage notes.

[Saimin]

Perfect, mystery solved completely!