I was trying to do workbook practice where I needed to conjugate different verbs to te-form and potential form. One of the verbs is 替ってくる and I don’t remember learning neither the kanji nor the てくる grammar, all I remember is ている. I checked all previous lessons and didn’t find the kanji and grammar. Am I blind or stupid or both of them?
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For the point itself, see てくる (JLPT N4) | Bunpro.
I don’t see Genki cross-referenced, but Tobira & Minna no Nihongo are. Not having access to the book, might they have covered this material while going over the related ていく?
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Another resource would be WaniKani’s own Tofugu blog: 行く・来る: Japanese Verbs for "Go" and "Come", maybe helpful to look at these two simultaneously.
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Thanks! I don’t remember learning about ていくeither. After looking through both textbooks it seems like neither of them are taught as grammar points, only the words using it. This is my first major complaint about Genki, cause I need to understand how words are built. I’ll use the link provided by you to study it.
Is there context or just a list of verbs to conjugate? Because that seems like a weird verb to choose.
As an aside I remember briefly going through Genki I early in my studies and IIRC there were many exercises where you had to conjugate a bunch of verbs in one specific form (say, past negative or something like that) but because there’s no context or choice to make I always felt that they weren’t very effective exercises. You don’t actually think about what you’re expressing with these forms, you just rote-repeat the same conjugation patterns 話す→話して、買う→買って、死ぬ→死んで… You don’t even have to understand what the verbs mean to just apply the conjugation algorithm.
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I do actually think that’s useful if you are trying to speak (which Genki will assume as part of a classroom setting). You want to do a bunch of drill so you can say 話して and 読んで and 買って without stopping to think about it.
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Yeah in general that’s the feeling I got from the book (that it was very classroom oriented) but I know that it’s also very popular with self-taught people. Personally I never quite could make it work because most of the exercises felt a little pointless for me learning on my own. Even the general structure of the book is very oriented for very early output in a classroom setting (introducing the ます forms first for instance) but don’t necessarily make sense outside of this IMO.
I do agree that in the context of a classroom where you’re probably going to get more dynamic exercises with prompts from the teacher later, it makes sense to just have “dumb” exercises to hammer the forms.
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No context, just a list of verbs. I think @pm215 is right, cause most of the verbs I had to conjugate through these tables are rolling of my tongue without thinking or at least not stumbling for too long.
As for your other message — yeah, Genki is very class-room oriented textbook. There’re a lot of group exercises where you need a partner, but I love the book so I’m just playing both sides. It can be hard cause it doubles down the load and sometimes you need to turn on imagination to come up with some topics and context, but I see it as additional practice opportunity.
Because I’m self studying and there’s no teacher to elaborate on my errors, I’m relying on text-to-speech audio recognition to put the sentence I came up with into text and feed it to ChatGPT to check for any mistakes and explain them to me. I generally hate AI, especially in creative field, but I think this is a good use-case. The only thing I worry about is if it’s not feeding me bullshit. So far I didn’t see anything off from what I learned in the books.
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Hm, yeah I’m pretty sure I didn’t study those until I started Tobira. Bit of a weird oversight, it’s used so often you’d think Genki would cover it.