Teasing Master Takagi-san 😝 ・ Volume 1, chapter 2

The speed seems a good speed you know, it’s that as pure coincidence I easily translated two boxes in a row and I knew the vocabs too, so I thought that I had achieved total mastery of the Japanese :joy: every slightly complex box still gives me doubts here and there.. I have to read more!!!

this is the trick…you finally start to feel good and then … out of nowhere truck hits you head on at high speed… gotta “love” learning Japanese … been hit by that truck over and over and over again … (there’s no dodging it)

‘Learning japanese is getting used to get run over by trucks.’ i love it :joy:

Visual depiction of learning Japanese:

(Yoshi thought he had Japanese all figured out until around 1:30.)

How I might translate this sentence into English, taking into account that わかった is used much the same way as we would use, “Fine!” in English (even though this is not a direct translation; what I’m doing is putting it into natural English to capture the vibe of the sentence I get, since you seem to know the literal meaning, but are just having some trouble making sense of it, right?)

Fine! (Implied: If you are going to claim victory otherwise), I should guess, right?!

Where the right is purely rhetorical. He knows he should guess, otherwise he has to admit defeat.


I couldn’t make sense of this one so I looked back to the old messages - the と particle here is for quoting what Takagi thinks: “but (けど in the end) you won’t guess right, I think.
I don’t get what まあ is tho

まあ is a filler word that can be used in a bunch of different situations (just look at the Jisho entry for it to see what I mean by that), but it’s most commonly translated simply as “Well”

Well, I think you won’t guess (correctly), though."

Oh now it makes sense!
Also, I didn’t know this think that わかった is used that way, I will have to keep it in mind

Oh is it that easy? I thought it had more importance in the sentence, I searched it on the dictionary and many valid translations came out so I got a bit confused. But I guess it’s not a complex grammar point and it’s just what you call a filler word then


This is complex, I can get thru all the sentence easily but I get lost at the end - what is 思ってのじしんか? The previous part of the sentence alone should mean something like “I can’t say (it’s because of) the menstrual cycle” …? This is followed by と思う so he’s probably saying what Takagi-san thinks but then again what the hell is ってのじしんか and what’s it doing? I only know じしん is confidence and with this information I could make some guess on the meaning of the sentence but I remain clueless grammar wise


Edit: thought a bit about it, could it be that that の should be interpreted just as possessive?
The “confidence of thinking”?


So the sentence would result into:
“Is she really confidently thinking that I won’t be able to say (it’s because of her) period?” → confidently thinking → confidence of thinking → thinkingのconfidence

Maybe I’m delirious :joy: totally not sure of my theory

After this, I will go to sleep:

“Only with (a lot of) confidence she could think I’m not able to say it’s her period.”

Maybe it’s crazy, but now it does make sense in my head :joy:

I think you’ve got it exactly right, yep. :grin:

Doubts on this passage
  1. Why is there だ at the beginning?
  2. Is it “ としたら” (If we assume…)?
  3. 「甘く見すぎ」甘く見る means ‘ to take it lightly ‘. 「すぎる」 is a helper ichidan verb that means ‘ to be too much ‘ and those two combined should mean ‘to take it too much lightly’ but the すぎる verb is in it’s stem so the whole word should become a noun, right? And if this happens, how can there still be a を marked object? (オレ)

Edit: Translation attempt.
I believe that the だ at the beginning is there for a precise purpose and that together with としたら means something like:
“If we assume that *it is it * (that what I thought - previous speech bubble - is true)…”
but I’m not sure that the copula だ and another verb (とする) can work together like this.

“… then she’s not taking me seriously at all.”
But it remains that here I use a verb, while that すぎ is making the verb it follows a noun. Maybe it’s just normal in japanese and I’m just thinking in english again

Translation

「これはトラップの可能性もある!!」
“As for this, there is also the possibility of a trap!!”

Question on page 7, 4th panel

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In the second dialogue here, there is a quite complex word I’m struggling to analyze
わけがわからなくなってきた
I’m not sure about the breakdown, there are two possibilities:

  1. わけがわからない in the negative form is わけがわからなくない and if we bring this into the て form and add 来る in the past tense we get exactly that word. But this word sort of means incomprehensible, and its negation would mean ‘comprehensible’ (the countrary. Now this doesn’t make any sense to me because Nishikata of course is loosing his mind trying to find a solution.
    This brings me to the second hypothesis

  2. That word is not わけがわからなく + ない but わけがわからなく + なる (to become). It’s just the adjective in it’s conjunctive form ~く attaching to the verb なる.
    In this case, なる gets the て form and attaches to きた.

The resulting sentence would be (literally):
“Damn, it came to the point (きた) that the situation turned incomprehensible”
This of course sounds euphemistically unnatural in english, I just want to expose my line of thought and see if I got it

だとしたら and ずき(る)

The thing to realize is that とする is not technically a verb. It’s a grammar point formed by a quotation particle と + verb する. If we want to be even more technical, としたら itself is considered a grammar point in its own right, though it can also be formed as とすれば or とすると, which makes the relation to とする even more obvious.

Regardless, it’s a quotation particle と + conditional form する. This formation literally means, “If A (is true), then B (must be the case)”

だ at the start of the sentence is indeed kind of standing in for the previous phrase, linking it to the quotation particle. The だ is technically only necessary for としたら when following a noun or a な adjective in a complete sentence, but since this was somewhat separated out, there’s essentially an imaginary noun in front the だ that constitutes the phrase, or at least, that’s how I’ve always treated it whenever I’ve seen this だ opening a sentence.

Regarding すぎる, it’s somewhat common for the る to get dropped. It does technically turn it into a noun, but then you just have to remember that casual Japanese doesn’t require a copula to end a sentence, and imagine a だ there. It doesn’t really change the meaning of the sentence as far as we are concerned translation wise; it’s just a different way to phrase it, and it’s the easier way. Otherwise the 甘く見すぎる would need to be in continuous form to say that she is actively taking him too lightly: 甘く見すぎしている, which is a decent bit longer than 甘く見すぎ(だ).

You’ve got the correct translation.

Literally: If that (previous phrase) is true, then it must be that I am being taken too lightly.

It is a little odd, but the meaning doesn’t change. It’s just more colloquial than anything.

Pg. 7, Panel 4

To clarify, わけがわからない is more a phrase than a word. わけ (reason, roughly, though it can also mean circumstances or situation) + が particle + わからない (to understand, in negative form). I explain this breakdown, because it’s helpful to recognize it as a full sentence in some cases, though it behaving as an い adjective here is perfectly serviceable

Regardless, it’s the second option. While Japanese has no qualms about using double negatives, it’s usually in specific situations where it would be obvious and doesn’t apply here.

The ない in わけがわからない gets turned into the adverbial なく to connect it to なる, which is in て form to connect it to くる, which is in past tense form.

Your translation is correct while retaining all the Japanese grammar, but you are right that it’s not how we would phrase it in English. I think this phrasing in Japanese is even on the dramatic side.

Great explanation. I was struggling to understand this point but I finally see some light!

Good, thank you for the breakdown, once again I have no more doubts left🙏

I have a small doubt on panel 3 of page 8.
Can’t really get what is that word やはり and what’s doing in the sentence (can’t make sense of jisho results too)


I’m not 100% sure but I guess that で is just the て form of そう
“Good, eh… everyone looks like having fun … “
I want to underline here that choosing ‘everyone’ as the subject is my arrangement, but - correct me if I’m wrong - it’s not, because 楽しい describes a state of being fun and I would say that the sentence is more like みんなはたのしそうで… (everyone is the topic)
Small observation but I want to be sure I’m not crazy

やはりis a term that basically means, “As expected; just as I thought”

In context:

Nishikata is running through possible answers he can give for his guess on why she is studying by observation, since he can only give one, and guessing that she is on her period is the option he doesn’t want to give. In the previous panels he (paraphrasing) basically ruled out that she was injured or that her health was bad.

So, if that is the case (だとしたら), then it must be as he originally expected/thought (やはり): she is on her period.

For the other panel, it is indeed だ turned into conjunctive で to indicate trailing off.

random thing but if you keep posting every frame it’s like posting the whole manga online… (realize it already is online everywhere) but it is best to keep the images to a minimum…don’t want you to get in trouble for any copyright stuff by wk on the forums here…