Whoa, I’ve never heard of that, but now I really want one. Sounds great.
Last night I read ten pages of ちゃお, and this morning another fourteen. I came across a few words I always hear in anime that sound similar.
格好いい------かっこいい------attractive; good-looking; stylish; cool
可愛い------かわいい------cute; adorable; charming
怖い------こわい------scary; frightening; eerie
I read chapter 5 of 時をかける少女 today. (A chapter always sounds so grande, but it’s usually like 6-7 pages) Honestly it feels weird how smooth it’s been so far, considering how little Japanese I touched during the last 3 years (and actually, the 2 years before that as well). Granted, the plot so far is super easy to follow along as well.
It feels like each chapter so far had one very specific idea that could be summed up in one sentence and the whole chapter is dedicated to reinforce that idea (usually with multiple situations). E.g. chapter 3 was the chapter where shit hits the fan, with lots of awful stuff that could kill you happening. This chapter is the chapter where she basically found out she’s repeating the day before… but it takes 4 or so little situations reinforcing that idea until she finally asks a classmate for the date
I’m curious if the whole book is kind of structured like this, because the chapters so far seem mostly like this. (I was actually a bit irritated about this in chapter 1, but I’m getting used to it) But we will see
January 18 update:
Read 8 pages of 時をかける少女 today. I managed to squeeze my reading time right after the lunch, and it made all the difference! I’ll definitely try to keep reading during the day rather than late at night as I usually did. Thanks for the (belatedly implemented) advice, @rikaiwisdom!
What I read today seems to have wrapped up a major part of the story (while setting up a huge cliffhanger), so I decided it’s a good point to reflect on it, and there was one specific observation that I particularly wanted to discuss. Trying to present my point, I ended up writing basically a short version of the first half of the story
Reflections on the plot so far (major spoilers!)
I find the story quite fun and engaging, but Fukushima-sensei sure has some funny ideas
The other characters are high school kids, so they’re bound to be a bit naïve and come up with far-fetched explanations. But the teacher? He’s supposedly the most reliable teacher to discuss such matters with, which is why they chose to talk to him. And so he listens to their story, which, I guess, goes roughly like this:
Kazuko has been feeling weird after happening to smell some unknown chemical in the school science lab. Four days later, she goes through her day as usual, and then a bunch of events happen at night – an earthquake, then a fire at a neighbor’s, and then in the morning she and said neighbor are crossing the street and nearly get run over by a truck. Once the truck is dangerously close, Kazuko finds herself awakened in her bed early in the morning (of the previous day, as is soon revealed). She goes to school, finds out that she somehow “leaped” to yesterday, and goes to discuss this with her neighbors-classmates. They’re skeptical of her story, but decide to see what happens at night, and at night the earthquake and the fire happen just as she “predicted.” Then she saves one of them from the truck, and they decide that the best explanation of this whole thing as that she has some superpower of time leaping.
(Granted, their version of the story is not presented to us as they speak to the teacher, so whatever they actually tell has probably been processed and interpreted twice before getting to him – first by Kazuko, then by Kazuo who does the talking.)
And so they tell all this to Fukushima-sensei, who seems to agree with the superpower theory, and concludes that smelling something four days ago is the most likely explanation of the power’s origin. Kazuko confirms that she doesn’t want to have a superpower, and the teacher goes on to suggest that she time leaps again – this time, four days back. Her ability to time leap more or less at will is pretty much not debatable at this point (sure, hasn’t she already done it once?). Having leaped, Kazuko is supposed to meet the culprit behind her chemical intoxication and prevent them from doing their deed.
Sounds fairly reasonable for a sensei, right? At least I hope that passing by a construction site after this conversation is not intentional on Fukushima’s side – that would’ve been a cruel way to test a theory, as exciting as that theory may sound.
By they way (beware: mild Steins;Gate spoilers to follow), this time leaping ability seems to have had a major influence on the Time Leap Machine in Steins;Gate (or was the similarity accidental?). Although, this only applies to the ability as seen from the reader’s perspective, which presents it as being moved into your past self’s body while retaining the present self’s memories and, arguably, consciousness. The characters seem to interpret it differently, suggesting that it’s a combo of time travel and teleportation, – an explanation that doesn’t really fit, since there would be two independent Kazukos
waking up in the same bed existing in the same physical world, which apparently was not the case.
@sumsum Oh hey, I’m glad to see we’re reading the same book! Yeah, the chapters do seem to carry a single simplistic message, but that’s understandable given that they are short, and the book is not exactly action-driven. I also find that this quality helps me follow the story without excessive dictionary look-ups (because vocab is probably my weakest point ).
@BadWeather Hey! Yep, I noticed that as well But I think you are quite a bit ahead of me (so I will not read your reflections yet, sorry!)
Definitely! I don’t really like if I need to look up too much, but this has felt quite relaxed so far. I looked up a few words, but that was more a case of “might wanna learn this” instead of “I need this to get what’s going on”. But we’ll see how it goes in the later chapters, I think I’m not really in the meat of the story yet
You can find lots of comments, questions and answers and also vocab sheets in there, and you can even still ask questions (there are still a few lurkers around that are happy to answer)
(sorry if you knew this already!)
Oh yes, I’ve explored it! But thank you for making sure I knew!!! A few of us are all around the same page and sharing in our study logs each day, so we kind of have a mini book club going It’s been fun so far!
Progress: (16% → 24%)
Thanks! I’ve seen it and had actually considered going through the thread (and perhaps the vocab sheet – the most valuable resource for me ) in the first couple days I was reading the book, when I was a bit overwhelmed with the amount of lookups. But then I sped up by starting to ignore (or trying to guess) any unimportant words that I didn’t know. This turned deciphering into reading, even if I’m missing out on some details, and I’m finding this way more enjoyable so far. I guess it also made my current approach not very compatible with the book club format, which, as far as I understand, is slower-paced and perhaps more detail-oriented?
However, I really like the ideas behind book clubs, and looking forward to joining the upcoming BBC on Death Note. And thank you and everyone who made this a thing! Book clubs were actually the primary factor that drove me to WaniKani
Ah perfect! Just wanted to make sure you know about the vocab sheets and the option to ask more detailed questions. But I see you took care of that yourself already!
Sounds great! (And I’m not planning to keep you from continuing with this approach ofc )
Not necessarily so. Everybody has their own approach to reading during a book club. People can go into details and ask questions, and many do, but it doesn’t mean they have to. If you want to keep your “extensive reading” method during a book club, that’s totally fine.
Of course if you were to read together with the club, then the pace would be the way of syncing the participants, (which in all honesty doesn’t always work as things happen and people may get drawn into the book and speed up which of course never happens to me ) but as you are reading on your own pace you need not care about it at all (you just need to find the right threads or starting points for each week’s assignment).
Yay! Reading together and discussing stuff is even more fun
I also mostly read that way, but I looked through a few of the book club threads after I read the corresponding chapters. It was still interesting to see a few of the sentences picked apart (and it feels more leisure if you don’t do it yourself ) I think it’s still kind of useful, though I do not feel competent to really contribute myself (I was tempted to write on the chapter 3 thread, but more to the extent of “what was that cliffhanger at the end dokidoki” and not really language questions - but it feels weird to resurrect such an old thread for that, so I refrained from doing that ;))
Actually we managed to convince the WK team to extend the closure period for book club threads to 10 years (instead of the standard 1 year) so people could exactly do that and ask questions or discuss stuff way after the book club was finished
But it’s of course fine if you don’t feel like it. Just to let you know that nobody takes issue if you do!
I read Ace Attorney for about 100 minutes today, which I’m considering quite a victory for how much it felt like the difficulty shot right back up. I don’t think I even expected 開拓精神 (かいたくせいしん), “frontier spirit,” to have a word in Japanese, but there it is. Along with many other obtuse cowboy references I didn’t mine or take note of like bullfighting and spittoon and whatnot. It’s been that kind of day! But the top one that sent me on a bit of an internet search journey, was this:
Something about the feeling of… taking a spin on a giant mud boat…
I found this link where, if I’m reading the response right, someone replies that it’s a parody of sorts of a phrase about riding an 大船. Like, you have feelings of peace of mind and reassurance, on your large boat. But with the 泥船, mud transport boat, you feel the opposite, expecting a bad situation (I think they mention it going into the water itself… not quite sure of the mechanics here). EDIT WAIT I just realized the second definition says “fictional boat made of dried mud,” dunno why my brain blocked it out when I was in the midst of confusion. That makes much more sense.
I’m doing my best, but these cultural references that just look like gibberish through my eyes are going to be the death of me, haha.
yes I kind of roped a few very knowledgeable and caring forum people into my study log… I try not to tag them all the time, but sometimes I just need to. I’d be honored if you stopped by my log, or “lounge,” as it’s become hah! Kind people like you are who I hope to bring in
Well played ahahah
Alright, I’ll put your study log on my watchlist
HAHAH no pressure! It’s where a lot of newbie questions are asked (mostly by me ). I’m sure you could chime in every now and again as a 先生!
I see you already lured Belthazar into your study lounge who is one of the Yotsuba master experts But I’ll see what I can do
Oh I did not know this, but I can tell he’s quite a master of many things! (except using emojis I’ve noticed ). Typical people I will sometimes tag are yamitenshi, Daisoujou, ChristopherFritz, and TokeruKonkoyo But I just try to rotate as to not annoy any one in particular
I’m actually more useful when it comes to non-speech parts that’s why I usually prefer books to manga But I like to learn as well, so I’ll keep an eye on your thread.
君の名は , 10 pages.
I’m glad it’s working for you! I definitely know the feeling of reading at night and it does make a big difference.
Reply to Zakarius part 2
Thanks for the details! I had heard that it was a different game from Dark Souls but nothing else. You’ve piqued my interest though, I’ll definitely play it at some point . Also the monk RP sounds awesome! I don’t tend to RP much but I’ve always thought it was a fun aspect I’d like to explore, and it adds another layer of fun to games. There’s a fairly big community of RP going on in FFXIV but I’ve never joined yet; it sure looks fun though.
Yeah I feel you so much on this. I’ve always been very perfectionist, I think I actually talked about it in the other challenge threads, about how much pressure I put on myself when missing days and all that. I don’t expect you to remember at all though! But anyway, I’m always looking for the perfect method, the perfect app, the perfect anything that lets me achieve something the most optimal way. And it’s been so, so hard integrating the reality that the perfect tool just doesn’t exist, nor the perfect anything. And it’s awful because for what I’ve seen, as you describe it quite accurately IMO, the Japanese learning community is obsessed with doing things in one way or else you’re wasting your time. These challenges for me have been a blessing and a great chance to work on not doing things perfectly, and I’m learning for real to work on doing things not in the perfect way. I don’t even know if what I’m doing is working most of the time, I just keep doing it and at some point I’ll notice that yeah, I’m improving. But it’s a leap of faith for the most part, I don’t have these realisations often. Some random day, I’ll be reading something and poof, a thought pops into my head and I’ll notice that I no longer have trouble understanding some passage with vocabulary and grammar I didn’t know before. Heck, I don’t even remember how I learnt English after basic English in school, I just kept doing whatever I was interested in and one day I noticed that I could understand the majority of it.
I would say that even the worst methods still make you improve over time regardless, even if not in the most efficient way. There is absolutely no way that every human in the history of humans has learnt languages to a high level with the most optimal method, all of them, all the time. There must be at least one that learnt with a shit method and still made it up there, for sure . I mean, there literally are people that sit with a book in a language they have no idea about and translate it word for word, and still learn. Consistency is key IMO, you’ve mentioned yourself as well and I agree. Be the tanuki
I wasn’t worried personally, I just thought it would be your average Japanese learning community. I think I was already spoiled by /r/learnjapanese and didn’t expect much . But yes I agree, there’s a lot of very nice interactions in these forums. There’s still some one-upping here and there occasionally but it’s not the norm. Very few bad apples, but also not the norm at all. But again, the perfect community doesn’t exist. WK forums is the only JP community I’m a part of and have been for a year, and I like it a lot. It’s not so terribly active that you miss a lot of threads and nice stuff, but is also active enough to always have new threads and on-going ones to check everyday. It’s a pace I’m very comfortable with. Plus the majority of the community is very wholesome and that’s very positive.