Japanese in one year?! - Not your usual study log

[NeoArcturus]

@drdru

Hey

I didn’t think it would be so confusing !
Markus thinks there is something special that can change the future in this building but he is not allowed to enter it (the door is open thought so he could deliberately enter it). He is then wondering whether he shall enter the building and make the future world better or respect the underground people and deprive the people who would benefit from what’s inside the building from a better future. Does that make sense ?

Yes, it makes much more sense now, thanks a lot!

@rockyrocky

also yay 1000th post

Damn, 1000 posts already? Is this a second POLLthread? That’s a lot of studying

[milopiccolo]

I think whenever you see ちゃ you can always puzzle it out by replacing the ちゃ with ては. (Unless it’s part of ちゃう or ちゃった.)

List of Japanese Contractions

[nyxqueenofshadows]

@NeoArcturus

It’s just the classical form of ない and only rarely used nowadays; appearently, some set phrases use it.

it turns up in songs every now and then (i say, and then can’t think of an example off the top of my head… a quick uta-net search of かもしれぬ turned up 17 results for what that’s worth), and characters use -ぬ forms in place of -ない occasionally outside of set patterns, like if it’s historical fiction or to show that they’re more formal/old-fashioned than the people around them, in my experience.

[NeoArcturus]

Thanks a lot for linking that, I’ll have a look at it!

[NeoArcturus]

In general, it’s still pretty rare that you’ll encounter it outside of set phrases, I think.

[Thubanshee]

In everyday speech, yes. Once it gets a little poetical/lyrical or especially historical, it’s absolutely everywhere.

[NeoArcturus]

Yeah, I should’ve added that as well Though I didn’t know that is is that frequent in literature

[Thubanshee]

I read part of 小倉百人一首(おぐらひゃくにんいっしゅ) a few weeks ago (historical poetry), and it was indeed everywhere, but that’s probably because they’re really quite old.

[NeoArcturus]

Yes, that’s what I learned too, that it was often used some time ago in literature

[GrumpyPanda]

@NeoArcturus

(Markus:) 僕は本当にこの未来(みらい)から人間(にんげん)を奪(うば)っていいのだろうか？

@drdru

Markus thinks there is something special that can change the future in this building but he is not allowed to enter it (the door is open thought so he could deliberately enter it). He is then wondering whether he shall enter the building and make the future world better or respect the underground people and deprive the people who would benefit from what’s inside the building from a better future. Does that make sense ?

I have no context whatsoever, so ignore me if this is obviously wrong, but shouldn’t から and を be flipped?
Or is he talking about murdering people or something?

@nyxqueenofshadows

characters use -ぬ forms in place of -ない occasionally outside of set patterns, like if it’s historical fiction or to show that they’re more formal/old-fashioned than the people around them, in my experience.

It’s pretty frequent in both 転スラ and 本好き. In 本好き one character in particular uses it all the time
I’d say in general that if you read fantasy you’ll come across it a lot.

[Myria]

@GrumpyPanda

I have no context whatsoever, so ignore me if this is obviously wrong, but shouldn’t から and を be flipped?

I was wondering that too tbh. Or rather, I was wondering whether the words 未来 and 人間 should be switched

More ぬ expressions: 知らぬ間に
And I think in Spice & Wolf it’s also frequently used?

[soggyboy]

@mitrac

When is this mysterious ぬ form used, I don’t think I’ve ever seen it reading? !

@NeoArcturus

It’s just the classical form of ない and only rarely used nowadays; appearently, some set phrases use it.

Found the ぬ form in Naruto, and thought, now where on the forums was I just reading a conversation about this?

[anon6600565]

That ぬ form is extremely common across a lot of media I follow. But I tend to like historical stuff a lot. And non-historical works that have characters intentionally written to be old fashioned quite a lot.

[araigoshi]

Have definitely seen ぬ or two in my reading too, but I can’t remember quite where now. I’m going to hazard a guess it was somewhere in bookworm, seems the most likely.

[NeoArcturus]

@Myria

More ぬ expressions: 知らぬ間に
And I think in Spice & Wolf it’s also frequently used?

@soggyboy

Found the ぬ form in Naruto

@anon6600565

That ぬ form is extremely common across a lot of media I follow. But I tend to like historical stuff a lot. And non-historical works that have characters intentionally written to be old fashioned quite a lot.

@araigoshi

Have definitely seen ぬ or two in my reading too, but I can’t remember quite where now. I’m going to hazard a guess it was somewhere in bookworm, seems the most likely.

Well, looks like the ぬ form is more common that I thought at first Thank you all!

[NeoArcturus]

2024-04-06T06:16:00Z

Daily Checklist

Last two days were pretty very bad, time to change that!

WaniKani:

• Zero reviews before 12:00 pm
• Zero reviews before 9:00 pm
• 25 new lessons
• Hit 0/0
• Level up to level 20

Bunpro:

• Zero reviews before 9:00 pm
• Cram at least 3 lessons

iKnow!:

• Do reviews (Reviews done: —)
• 20 sentences with the sentence trainer

Reading:

• Read three new chapters from the TWC
• Read all NHK Easy articles

Listening:

• Listen to one episode of Nihongo con Teppei for beginners

Handwriting:

• Learn or practice at least seven kanji

Production:

• Write sentences with the items that I failed in my Bunpro cram session; at least three sentences

Speaking:

• 20 sentences with the sentence trainer on iKnow

Piano:

• Practiced 30 minutes

[anon6600565]

@NeoArcturus

Well, looks like the ぬ form is more common that I thought at first Thank you all!

I think it might also be one of those things you don’t fully notice until you’re at a decent enough level with your Japanese to not need to rely on translations anymore. Since English translations of Japanese media tend to fully flatten out all the role language that’s used and have characters generally just talk the same way. One Piece for instance feels like a very different work in Japanese compared to the English translation.

Not saying English can’t do equivalent things. More that translations often opt not to do anything in its space.

Yakuwarigo

[rustx]

Hey I remember seeing this thread when it first popped up and all the people who didn’t think you’d be able to keep the pace, so happy to see this thread is over 1k posts now and you’re still going

What would be your review of “iKnow!” so far? As you have it listed that you write(type) sentences using it, and I would be interested in doing something similar. I’m not interested in another App that teaches kanji/grammar again as I have those covered, and purely just want to focus on building sentences, would IKnow cover this? Or how would your so far review of it be?

[GrumpyPanda]

@rustx

all the people who didn’t think you’d be able to keep the pace

To be fair, I think most of the “Yeahhh… no” feedback he got was in regards to his initial “I’d like to be fluent in a year” goal From how I interpret it, right now it’s more in the “N2 and being able to communicate decently well in a year” ballpark? Which is much more realistic

Edit: Sometimes I wonder if @trunklayer sees someone typing and then just sits there waiting to like their post. Them hearts are coming in too fast

[trunklayer]

No, I just have many threads on watching