I think time restriction on learning curve is horrible

I really enjoy the way this site is constructed and appreciate the free rescources on tofugu, they’ve been a huge help for starters.
But I just can’t help but notice the hypocricy of claiming “you won’t have to wait for the slowest student in your class” when I have to wait for an arbitrary scheduling system.
Thank you for all the helpful comments, though. I’ll have to look into your suggestions. It’s just a shame I can’t do it on this site as, like I said, I really like it.

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I just want to add some input here as well. It’s not really about waiting for the slowest student, it’s just that by virtue of the way that an SRS system works, it starts out slow and then ramps up.

I used to be around level 20 a few years ago before I took a break and reset my level, and I remember getting review sessions pop up that were > 500 items in size.

You’re not going to get that much intensity right at the beginning, which I understand is difficult because that’s usually when you’ve got the most enthusiasm and motivation to learn, but if you stick with it, you’ll be drowning in no time, I assure you.

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When I started WaniKani with a friend we were really annoyed at the first few levels. Then we got past level 5 and now we complain every day about the 2-300 daily reviews.

The beginning is weird. Do your first 4 levels and see how you feel then.

Also, I really recommend doing kaniwani in parallel.

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Just to save you a bit of research, SRS timings aren’t arbitrary. They are designed to give you a review right as you are about to forget it, which reinforces it in your memory stronger than it was before. The timings come from a lot of research into SRS in general. Obviously it is possible to memorize things without using this method, but in general they are much less efficient (I personally haven’t come across a method that is as efficient as SRS in my 8ish years of language learning)

Just some fun trivia into how memories are reinforced in human brains.

PS. I would highly recommend trying to configure a more consistent schedule than what you mentioned in your original post as you may find yourself struggling more than you need to. There’s always a few extra minutes to squeeze out of each day :wink:

PPS. Don’t take that last part too seriously, as not everyone here has the same amount of time or drive to learn as quickly as possible as others. Some people here complete WaniKani in a year, while others take a few years. In all cases, everyone is doing what is most comfortable for them.

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Thank you for all the great comments, guys!
I guess I’ll just hang on at least until I reach level 3 or maybe sub just for a month and see how it goes. I’ll also definitely check out Kaniwani! If you know of any other resources I can use to multiply the workload from WaniKani, I’d love to learn about them.
As for the methodology and SRS, I really appreciate it, it’s what has drawn me to this site in the 1st place. Still, even with the proper scheduling, I feel like it will hold me back, as I’d still want to put in a lot of work on free days. 500 reviews sound good for squeezing in on a normal day, however, on weekends, I’d gladly do 5000 or 50000 reviews. I know it seems obsessive, but I struggle with motivation a lot, and keeping myself constantly challenged (plus making tangible progress) is the only way I can keep myself interested in doing something.

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links lead to the threads here on the forum where you can find full descriptions

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I used to feel exactly like you and kanji.garden seemed really appealing to me. It is still an SRS but it allows you to skip kanji and srs levels as you see fit. You can also study as many kanji as you want.

I recommend checking that out. It’s very flexible but I learned nothing from it. It’s free for one month.

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Are you sure you want to multiply your workload?

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So much this. It’s hard to see at level 1-3, but the workload can rapidly get out of control if you let it especially if you do all of your lessons as soon as they pop up. And if you miss a day? Prepare to be buried under reviews.

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That looks great! :smiley: It’s just on early levels there’s literally nothing to do. I guess I will focus on other things, like typing or pronunciation… I really hope it picks up soon and fast.

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Just wait a few levels… you’ll see it start since you’ll have a couple items in the queue.

Read section 2 of the Ultimate Guide to WK… you can easily get in the hundreds of reviews per day and seven-days per level if you really want to go for the record speed! :stuck_out_tongue:

But, honestly, remember that tons of reviews would take hours per day, so it’s really not that great (remember that 1000 reviews is almost 2000 questions: meaning & reading)

If you go lightning-speed on them and only take 6 seconds per half, and never get anything wrong, then:

(We’re assuming radicals aren’t a significant factor - out of these 1000 reviews, only 37 are radicals, so we can just ignore them to make math easier)

2000 halves * 6 seconds = 12,000 seconds = 200 minutes = 3 ⅓ hours

But, let’s be real, you won’t go that fast, and you will get things wrong, so:

2000 halves * 1.5 (for re-answering) * 10 seconds = 30,000 seconds = 500 minutes = 8 ⅓ hours

Maybe. If you’re lucky, since you just built up 1000 reviews…

The point is that you don’t really want that much!

At maximum speed with perfect accuracy (credit goes to whoever @jprspereira got it from):

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I just skimmed the thread due to lack of time but I didn’t explicitly see someone mentioning that there are scripts and third-party-apps (on Android for example it’s Flaming Durtles) which allow you to put some extra study time in. Some call it cram (BunPro), others call it self-study (Flaming Durtles). So maybe that’s an option for you which would require some research to see if you like it though.

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good point! i guess this would be the best link to start with then:

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I think we’ve indirectly covered it before…

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I think that’s a Discourse bug to be honest; if you link a thread that has already been linked, you get a warning before you post, but if you quote that post, I don’t think it does.

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Athletic coaches talk about “weekend warriors,” who sit on the couch all week and try to make up for it on the weekend. They get injured a lot. The body does better with frequent bouts of moderate training.

Your brain is the same way. 30 minutes a day, every day, is likely to give better results than trying to jam it all into the weekend.

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I have been trying to learn Japanese, painfully, slowly, incorrectly, and terribly for 20 years.

Here is my advice to you MesJ:

Try Kodansha Kanji Learner’s Course and a custom Anki deck built for KKLC.
Anki lets you study. Then study. Then study. And more. You can work on it for as many hours in a day you can put into if you so desire.

I preferred KKLC over Remembering the Kanji as they removed learning the readings from the process when you start RTK. Some people like it but I recommend people try KKLC over RTK with Anki from a “try it and see how it works for you” perspective.

If you can’t stick to the WK SRS timing, you can’t. They give you no options for skipping content, skipping intervals, or otherwise re-arranging the content (other than some scripts that let you sort the order of reviews).

When I first started, it was painful waiting for the next things to pop up but now that I’ve gotten a semi-schedule going, I am jumping up a level every 8-11 days according to wkstats.

For me, WaniKani is what I needed. It is the ONLY thing I have been able to stick to consistenly. My last attempt at learning Kanji lasted about 35 days when it became easier to put it off for tomorrow and every day after became tomorrow.

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I think we’ve indirectly covered it before…

Yeah that’s the thing - indirectly. Put yourself in OP’s shoes: There are so many resources, so many possibilities. It surely can be overwhelming, so I gave them a pointer that directly answers their question so the chance of OP not even being aware of this possibility gets reduced. Also, just being aware of say, Bunpro, doesn’t automatically mean that you know of all the possibilities that come with it.

I just skimmed the thread due to lack of time but I didn’t explicitly see someone mentioning that there are scripts and third-party-apps (on Android for example it’s Flaming Durtles) which allow you to put some extra study time in.

So, I genuinely want to understand - do you think my post was insignificant, redundant or unnecessary and if so, why? No hard feelings btw, feel free to criticize.

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I don’t call people insignificant…

No, you were expanding on and adding to what was already here. I was just showing what had been mentioned and saying that we had somewhat covered the topic.

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