Better question would be why do people burnout after doing WK full speed?
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oh god…
not funny at all
ok maybe its a bad analogy
either way, I hope I made a point there
I’m a bit fed up with the topic so I will refrain myself from commenting my point of view in other posts
If people think they can do it, go for it
I think it has been made clear that no one should only focus all their time and energy in WK alone
Cheers
I am more on the side of using motivation, but knowing there will be downtime.
Let routine and workload bind you only in moderation.
So no one has to clear 400 every day. At least, not an obligation. (And no obligation not to either. Of course I can.)
Oh yeah, no judgement. If you speed run WK that’s fine. I wont recommend it but if you can/want to do it, go for it.
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Wanikani burnout is real, it also affected me as well.
I did it at almost max speed 2 years ago, but when the enlightened started appearing I crashed and stopped doing it until the beginning of this year.
Rather than doing it at max speed I’d think if you want to finish it or not, because if you aim to finish it in one year there’s a chance you might never finish it, instead of finishing it in, say, 2 or 3 years.
Personally if I didn’t go at max speed and burned out I’d probably be done by now. Instead now I’m doing it for maybe another 1 year
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Does anyone else do it like me which is doing all my lessons and reviews on the day they appear? I’m averaging 11-12 days at the moment with between 150-230 reviews a day.
Cause they overload themselves with reviews. At max speed you will spend many hours every week on WaniKani.
This will leave little time for any other studies and you can´t slack off without drowning in reviews. A single day off will result in over 200+ reviews an top of what you have coming in the next day.
The pressure and workload just get´s too much at some point. If you miss a few reviews you dread doing them and so they start accumulating which makes you dread them even more…
Burnout is especially prevalent on WaniKani because people can see the endgoal (Lvl. 60) contrary to something like vocab or grammar. So they try speedrunning it, either because they want to be “done” with Kanji or because they want to get the best deal (One time yearly subscription). The majority of these people will either burn out and never return, burn out and try again (with a reset probably) or burn out but keep going with reduced capacity.
There are also many people that make it through, but I´ve heard from a lot of them that they feel burned out after doing all 60 Levels, not bothering with any reviews after.
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Like other users have said it’s just too much. At full speed it’s hundreds-thousands of reviews depending on if you getting them all done to just taking a short mini break. Doesn’t seem worth it to me. Plus no idea to study other things like grammar which is critical as you need that for reading comprehension. Vocabulary just isn’t enough. Doing the SRS and reading comprehension is so important in order to make sure what you learn from here and other resources stays in your brain long term.
I’d rather just take my time and enjoy the process rather then become overwhelmed and hating the process of learning.
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I always do my reviews, but sometimes I take a break from lessons and just do reviews only and reviewing my burned items too. I never do all my lessons cause I don’t want to get overwhelmed so I do lessons in small chunks.
If you got the N3 after finishing WK then surely you must have studied grammar and vocab on top of it?
I think what’s usually considered a bad idea is when people speedrun WK in a year then in their level 60 post say “well now I’m going to start Genki I”.
By the time I’m level 60 I aim to also be around N3 overall, I think it’s a decent target.
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You’d achieve the same time with better accuracy and a more stable study schedule if you did 15 lessons a day. I was/am finishing levels at about 10-12 days without doing everything all at once.
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Yes of course
At that time I used Memrise for vocabulary supplement, for grammar the Tae Kim guide at first and then migrated to the minna no nihongo books. (bunpro was still not a thing I believe)
And I read a lot with a free app called Tangoristo (RIP) and a bit of Satori reader and NHK easy news
What I believe I lacked at that time was listening abilities and I should’ve used Kamesame or Kaniwani, because I was really good at recognizing kanji and jp words but the other way around not that much
Yes, I think you’re right
I just want to advocate for the point of view that you can actually make it fast, (under the aforementioned conditions) but I keep facing over and over opposition to my perspective. Which is not bad, of course. But back when I first made it to 60 it was an amazing feat to achieve. It seems that in all these years people having to reset made the rest of the community well aware of the drawbacks of going fast without solid foundations
I think its fair enough, but still…
I hope you make it, it feels… I don’t know how I can describe it… it’s just beautiful
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Would you recommend Memrise for Japanese? I used it for other languages and found it quite useful but so far I’ve found that generic apps that don’t specialize in Japanese tend to do a pretty poor job of teaching it since it doesn’t conform well to “Indo European” expectations and assumptions.
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Yes I think the same.
But I’ve never formally taken the courses that nowadays they offer. Like you type I want to learn Japanese and they tell you, well we have japanese 1,2,3 and those are like intended to be complete courses.
I used it with a deck of usermade flashcards solely regarding to vocabulary (I mean there are some grammar points here and there but that’s not the purpose of the deck) and in that sense, any other app like Anki or kitsun would do the same trick
So for vocabulary alone, yeah it’s an ok app because of the flashcards. For the courses I’ll have to agree with you. Apps like memrise and Duolingo are simply not that good for asian languages.
But hey, you can study for free
Depending on your goals I might recommend lingo deer instead, it does a better overall job.
Myself I feel comfortable doing the bunpro paths complementing with 80/20 japanese an cure Dolly’s videos. satori reader and beelinguapp for reading and I started shadowing videos with Miku sensei (for speaking) because I read good reviews but I don’t yet have a formed opinion on her course.
What about you, what are you using?
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Thank you for the details!
I’m also mostly using Bunpro and Cure Dolly for the grammar (mostly bunpro lately). I also use JLAB’s anki deck mostly to work of my reading comprehension and get additional grammar practice.
Eventually I’ll have to find a supplement for pure vocabulary, for now I just plan on “mining” my own flashcards in Anki but something like memrise could be a good addition I think.
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Yeah I always prefer apps that are Japanese only or if they are expanding into other languages started out with Japanese first.
It reminds me of the steam games that try to teach several languages including Japanese and they all do a bad job of teaching Japanese.
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