Games as a Resource for Japanese Learning

There have been a few threads on this topic throughout WK’s existence.

The most recent one I’ve noticed was this one, but it doesn’t really cover listening.

I’ve been fooling around with japanese videogames from my youth for the past 10 years, on/off ever since I first registered in WK. Never quite finding a game that didn’t frustrate me tremendously, be it Pokemon, which forces you to not only comprehend japanese in its phonetic form (which is also a plus and something that should correlate to a certain degree of listening comprehension, but a pain in the ass anyway) thanks to its lack of kanji in the earlier GameBoy versions, but also something like Final Fantasy 7 which is punishing in its own way due to the amount of dialects, contractions and jargon thrown at you from all angles.

10 dialog bubbles would cost me 90 minutes in either game, depending on how much trouble they were giving me. Typically the vocabulary is never the issue, but the grammar itself, and not grasping the context allied with the fact that japanese translation is a minefield of different nuanced interpretations sometimes. It’s easy to get obsessed over “why isn’t something X instead of Y?”.

Pokemon, even Kanji-less, can be a real bitch with the mannerisms. It’s super casual for the most part, regardless of being aimed at children (is it though?; from gambling men to girls asking you not to look up their skirts, I sometimes have my doubts).

That being said, I just recently came upon Star Ocean The Second Story R.
Now… The gameplay itself, admittedly, I don’t care about. I’m only playing this for the learning process. And here’s the thing: it’s the first time in years that I found 90% of dialog to be extremely easy to follow. Obviously using a combination of jisho/chatgpt/google translate/rikaikun to do a double-take on vocab and/or kanji I haven’t seen yet.

But overall it’s been smooth sailing and probably my main morale booster in the past few weeks.

Irrelevant “Sob” Story: I don’t plan on moving to Japan, nor am I a fan of Anime or any other Japanese piece of media, other than old stuff like some 90s anime or older games from my teenage years. I’m learning Japanese in order to revisit those things, more than anything else, because I love the idea of enjoying something in its original “format”, if you will. As you might have guessed, given how hard of an endeavor it is to learn this language, this goal of mine is likely not strong enough to keep my discipline and passion alive. So every time I feel like my efforts are bearing fruit (as with the aforementioned game), it helps me a lot in pushing forward.

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You can check Game Gengo in Youtube to see the list of Games, ranked based on a few criteria.
Plus many other resource like N5, N4 vocab from Games.

Second Game Gengo. Really good resource with a pretty broad variety of games/content.

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I played that Star Ocean remake in Japanese around when it launched! Quite a good game; the original was my favorite when I was a kid. Very glad it’s working out well for you! I play a lot of videogames in Japanese right now to continue my learning, currently working on Super Paper Mario and Like a Dragon: Infinite Wealth.

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I don’t mean to hijack the thread, but I have a related question and I’m not sure it deserves its own new thread.
@Ribx if you mind I’ll delete/clear the post.

What is the consensus around the usefulness for learning Japanese of playing games with Japanese audio and English subtitles and menus?
(More so for beginners, I imagine someone advanced in their Japanese studies would get more out of it or wouldn’t even bother with using English subs.)

Ghost of Tsushima will be released for PC next week and I’ve been waiting for it for a long time now, even before I decided to (try to) learn Japanese.
I’ll be playing it for the first time and thinking about using JP audio with EN subs. I’d like to try and do ‘active listening’ whenever possible - it’s easy with films where you can pause and rewind
But afterwards, if this method does aid even a bit with learning the language, I may return to The Last of Us which I finished once in English and Nier:Automata - this one I know quite a bit better, having played it three times already.

Thanks!

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About as effective as watching anime with English subtitles, I think. You might notice words you’ve recently learnt or that show up at lot. You might notice is the subtitle doesn’t quite match with what you can hear. You might pick up on how the voice actor chooses to emphasise a line. Or maybe they talk to quick and you don’t understand anything. Even if you can’t make out much, it shouldn’t hurt.

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Sorry to hear that, since it’s one of my most favorite games ever, but it’s definitely pretty good for reading practice.

Not sure about the consensus, but this is definitely how I prefer to play games that have Japanese audio available. I’ve found it helpful.

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Thanks, both!

Guess I’m just a little worried that it might be no more than finding justification for spending time playing games instead of, you know, actually learning Japanese :slight_smile:

Btw, Steam tells me even God of War has full Japanese audio - that one would sure be funny to replay with JP audio :rofl:
(or RDR2, but that one only has subs not audio :frowning_face: )

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I’ve been plinking away at Koe recently, which sits firmly in the valley of “edutainment”. I’m not sure it’s a great game - haven’t really gotten far enough in - but I will absolutely praise the fact it has a mode that lets you run the dialogue so that each box appears in Japanese first (with furigana), then appears in English after you button through it. This lets you try and figure out the meaning in your head first, then have it served up with you to check your understanding on a line-by-line basis, without the need for an external spreadsheet.

The ease with which you can do this makes it so much more enjoyable for my level of competency than trying to force my way through a fully-Japanese experience.

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Okay that one looks interesting - wishlisted :smile:
Thanks!

I’ve actually done this exact thing with Ghost of Tsushima a while back!

For the most part, I would agree with what @RebBlue said – you get approximately the same sort of benefits you would get from anime, where you may be able to match vocabulary or grammar points that you hear with what you see OR notice when they don’t quite match. At the very least you’re getting extra time hearing the language and getting your ear used to the cadence and pronunciation.

(In particular, I find this sort of JPN/ENG hybrid experience to be very good at demonstrating the differences in grammatical structure on the large scale; sentences that are divided into more than one line of subtitles are really good for demonstrating how what comes first in Japanese is often in the latter half of an English sentence, and vice versa.)

ONE EXTRA NOTE, though, about Ghost in particular: it is very heavy on keigo and other forms of older/more formal Japanese. For me, it was actually quite interesting to notice and was good practice for me with certain verbs that are totally different in casual japanese vs keigo (見る vs ごらん, 食べる・飲む vs …I don’t actually remember keigo for those rn but I know it’s a different verb lol). You’ll here Jin using 父上 or 母上 for his parents, things like that. I found it to be both interesting and good practice, but I could also see it causing some confusion if you’re not familiar yet with keigo. So just a heads up!

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Very interesting!

Let me get the list of Nintendo Switch games at home that I’ve been using randomly to advance my Japanese learning. I got too many and I only touched 10% o them.

I find it incredibly frustrating to read a sentence and move on without being certain of the reading of every word.

For some reason, I keep playing FromSoft games in Japanese with hundreds of invented terms that often have no definitive reading (known to players anyway).

I guess it goes along with enjoying the punishment of the gameplay itself.

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Thank you, that’s very useful info around the language in GoT!

My only exposure to keigo so far has been via Violet Evergarden which I watched recently :grin:
I liked it even though it threw me off constantly with the very little I knew in Japanese (a few words here and there) - it was funny when I’d read a sub line in English and expected to hear one verb or another just for it to be something else entirely :rofl:

Now the problem is that I also watched the new Shogun show and didn’t understand a thing! :man_facepalming:
(same with the original series but there the problem was not having English subs at all to help with recognition)

Regardless, I’m now really really looking forward to playing GoT with Japanese… it’ll certainly be an interesting experience!

Games like TheoTown, SimCity played in Japanese can also be a big help.

There’s no story to follow or anything so you don’t have to worry about that, you’re just playing at your own pace.

And also wouldn’t have to worry about confusing or tricky dialogue since it wouldn’t have any, everything is pretty much straight forward

I realize this is an extremely long shot but…
I don’t suppose there are any games (for PC) where you can have Japanese audio with EN and JP subs active at the same time, are there?

Playing this now. Crayon Shin chan - Shiro and the Coal town. クレヨンしんちゃん 炭の町のシロ

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Mainline games, not really. I have Language Reactor for Netflix and dual subs takes up a lot of space even with a small font.

Your best bet is either a Visual Novel with a text hooker or a dual display VN. This is an old list but it’s a start:

https://old.reddit.com/r/visualnovels/comments/isb845/visual_novels_as_teaching_aids/g58juxg/

And if you’re not into VNs, then you could get really into the weeds and follow along with a translation website, but those are hard to find.

Here’s one for Final Fantasy VI:

https://kwhazit.ucoz.net/trans/ff6/01intro.html

That’s all text, though. But do let me know if you find something like what you’re looking for. I’d love to check it out.

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Thank you very much for the link to the post with VNs, there are so many I’m bound to find something I’ll enjoy!

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