"Discipline * (WaniKani + X) = Japanese Proficiency"


Been using WK for several months now, sniffing around the community as well, trying to find that perfect side-dish. But honestly, the menu simply has too much to offer. And sometimes not very clear about the various dishes.
Many of them taste kinda the same but still do have some sort of a difference. :thinking:

Anyone knows the difference between the following platforms? Any piece of information is much appreciated :hugs:

  1. Bunpro
  2. LingoDeer
  3. Kamesame
  4. Kaniwani
  5. Torii
  6. Kitsun

The X is a lie.


you can add shirimono

I have been using it for srs grammar everyday.

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I know that Torii and kitsun are also SRS based so why did you choose that eventually?

Unless, they are not for grammar?

This is what I’m using.

My learning resources

Wanikani (Kanji+Vocab)
Bunpro (Grammar + reading)
Tobira (Grammar + reading) and some books but I mainly use Tobira at the moment
Todai apps (reading + vocab)
Youtube (Listening)
Learn Langauge with Netflix extension (Listening + Reading)
Books&Audio Books (reading + listening)
Italki (Speaking)

I’ve tried many things but for me I found that the most efficient tools are the combination of Wanikani + Bunpro. Because hey are not overlapping between each other. Then I started to find something else to fill the gaps that Wanikani+Bunrpo are lacking.


I’d say, the best side dish would be grammar, reading and listening.
For grammar you can use BunPro or Tie Kim’s Guide or Dictionary of Basic Japanese Grammar or whatever.
For reading you can use

Simpaw Life - For just a little bit more

or buy books at

For listening - you can use podcasts like https://nihongoconteppei.com/


Can you explain why BunPro and not Lingodeer though? I’m really planning on purchasing one of them, I’m just not sure which one

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I don’t know, it’s just that I’ve heard many good things about BunPro and know very little about LingoDeer. It’s quite possible it’s a good app too.

I personally am using “A Dictionary of Basic Japanese Grammar”.

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The best thing about BunPro for me (but might look shady for many) is they use many sites and videos on the internet or textbooks for their learning references.

So Bunpro save a lot of my time from keep looking for those grammar explanation.

Have you tried Renshuu yet? It looks nice and have everything there. I just wonder why nobody is talking about Renshuu.

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Ahh interesting.
alright, noted!

I dunno if I’d recommend it if you can’t find a discount as the standard price is pretty steep but I’ve found Jalup to be a game changer. The first deck of 1000 cards teaches the basic grammar you need to be able to read manga & other simpler native material.The later decks get rid of English and teach things in Japanese, with one of the goals being to prepare you to be able to use a mono-lingual dictionary. It’s all kind of built around getting you onto a strong footing to be able to immerse in native content as rapidly as possible - which is an approach that has been working for me as I’m very impatient haha.

Before Jalup I was using lingodeer and I think it’s pretty good. I particularly liked the stories at the end of each section and the prompts to record yourself and compare to native pronunciation. I also tried out Bunpro but it didn’t really work for me…probably just too much SRS ontop of WK at the time.

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That actually sounds pretty good! I’m gonna check it out now.

Exactly my fears of adding another SRS on top of my Anki deck and WK

Kamesame - improved EN->JP recall plus much more, ok to use in 2021
Kaniwani - original EN->JP recall, don’t start it in 2021

Torii - free vocab SRS
Kitsun - paid vocab SRS, very much recommended

BunPro - paid grammar SRS, does not tech grammar but provides links to multiple resources, and organises grammar points by N5-N1 and different learning pathways (Genki etc). Free trial is available.

Myself I use WK, KS and BP (and Drops free iphone app). This means three SRS systems, which is a lot, so I’m not adding extra one untill I’m done with WK lessons. Then I’ll add some vocab SRS, probably kitsun.

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If that is your fear and you are a completionist, Bunpro will certainly be a nightmare for you.

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Nice! You can try out the first 100 cards for free so you can always see how you find it. And yeah, I get demotivated very fast just doing SRS. Credit where it’s due to those that manage to get through core 10k or things like that as I don’t think I could do it! reading is pretty much nature’s SRS though…at least that’s the excuse I give myself haha. Good luck!

I’ve used both and also Renshuu. Lingodeer’s style is completely different. If you’re not looking to pass a test and want to learn practical Japanese Lingodeer is your best bet. If you’ve ever done Duolingo, it’s like that but actually made for learning Asian languages.

As for Renshuu and BunPro, they’re both srs like WK and assuming you’re getting your main grammar explanations elsewhere. Renshuu is more well rounded as you can study grammar, words, and kanji. Additionally, it has extra types of practice like numbers and counters. Also it’s free. I recommend at least trying it out as both BunPro and Lingodeer are paid only after a certain level.


I would also add www.japanese.io

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I’m a traditionalist; I think the best side dish is a good text book. I have read through Tae Kim’s Grammar Guide too many times at this point, and now I’m using Tobira.

I would recommend starting with Tae Kim’s Guide, and then moving on to Tobira — that is, if you don’t mind not having an SRS element. (I personally don’t think you need it for grammar, but who knows whether you’ll like it 🤷).

I also second @trunklayer’s suggestion; reading is such a valuable exercise. :wink:


I use it exactly for grammar only ,for free so far, and it has been useful for me.

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Lol alright, thanks for the heads up!

Alright. That pretty much solves the BunPro vs Lingodeer question.

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