"Discipline * (WaniKani + X) = Japanese Proficiency"

I’m perhaps late to the party, but here’s my input:

  1. Bunpro: not for learning grammar in depth, but great for finding out where to learn it and for reviewing it in SRS. Satisfying to see progress.
  2. LingoDeer: what Duolingo should have been if it actually tried to teach Asian languages. Fun.
  3. Kamesame: Not worth it if you sign up for Kitsun. More on this below.
  4. Kaniwani: Less worth it than the one above at this point.
  5. Torii: As above.
  6. Kitsun: Uhmm. Hell yes. Definitely a good idea for the 10k deck, the verb conjugation deck, and EN->JP practice. The fact that you get EN->JP for vocab content that is also on WK and that you get so much content in a beautiful interface is why 3, 4, 5 are not worth it.

This is why I call the trifecta: WK+BunPro+Kitsun.

I love Bunpo (android app, not the same as Bunpro) for the grammar explanations. It’s where I go for simple explanations when I need just enough to get the gist of things without getting bogged down.
LingoDeer is where I go to bum around and make slow but sure progress.
I haven’t started using Renshuu though I have it. Looks good, but I only have so many hours in the day.

Would you be able to give a self-assessment of where you were at in terms of grammar (N5, N4…) after each of the decks you did? I’m curious about this approach.

Tae Kim is what I currently use, and Tobira is what I had in mind for the next step. It’s very reassuring to see someone actually following this specific path. How is that working out for you? I think I will use Imabi as a more in-depth source as needed though becauw sometimes Tae Kim leaves me with questions.


Awesome! Thanks for taking your time :grin:

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Well! Very well. Although, I do wish I had started Tobira earlier as it pairs with more specialised grammar study (e.g. Tae Kim) quite well. Hence, I would recommend starting Tobira once you have finished the “essential grammar” section.

Tobira really shines with its reading passages and exercises, and so, I think it would have a very good symbiotic relationship when studying side-by-side.

Another is the listening practice: this is something that I really lacked until I started Tobira, so that is another way I think they pair very well.

Yes, Imabi is good. Although I must confess that I haven’t used it much outside of my curiosity for Classical Japanese, but I assume that the quality of the resource obviously carries through to the normal grammar.

Another great resource (which I prefer for normal grammar) would be Maggie Sensei. It gives better examples of real-world application of grammar in my opinion. One caveat being that I find the layout a little funny, so I may not recommend it as a way of introducing new grammar, but it’s great for revision.

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they don’t map exactly to N-levels as don’t think they were designed to match but from my experience it seems like the Jalup beginner deck (first 1000 cards) covers the vast majority (if not all) N5 & N4 grammar (but purposefully very little vocab).

I’m currently about half way through the intermediate deck - as it is focused around getting you used to learning Japanese in Japanese it starts out focusing mainly on vocab before moving onto N3 grammar points. There’s an article here: What Levels Of JLPT Do The Jalup Decks Prepare You For? - Japanese Level Up - however I think this is talking about when you would have covered both vocab and grammar for the different N levels (rather than just grammar)

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If the Anki decks play nicely with the Kitsun importer, do you think I should get the Anki decks or just the app?

No idea, sorry - I’ve only used the app! It’s not a super complicated app though so you’d likely be fine using the anki deck it if you wanted to keep things to one SRS platform.

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