What does that even mean? I don’t do anything special to keep go at (near) the minimum pace. I’m just diligent about the timing.
Yes, I do occasionally set an alarm for 3AM or something to get those radicals done, but it’s obviously not cheating.
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I guess it’s still subjective. I’m glad I’m not someone who completely neglects grammar and listening and whatnot and only studies kanji, but my knowledge of grammatical constructions only extends to maybe an intermediate level. I guess I mean it more so as “I’m really probably much less experienced than you level 40/50 giving me advice, so even though I recoil a bit at a certain suggestion (e.g. picking writing back up), I recognize my lack of experience so I might be wrong.”
Yea I think especially if you aren’t in a huge hurry, shotgun is pretty nice. I mean, I find that missing the kanji the first time might be even more effective than taking extra time to really learn it well in the lesson. But as someone mentioned, that might not be as good for long term retention.
I think he moreso is referring to using override no matter what if you get it wrong. But dang! I can’t imagine waking up in the middle of the night, even if it’s for a radical. Though I’m not particularly fond of waking up to usually at least 60-80 reviews in the morning
I meant that in order to get the extreme minimum, you have to be cheating or inhumanly perfect. (Pls note, that I said less than 7 days. Not 7+ days.)
Hehe…Yeah, I’ve done that as well.
I do it that way to make sure that recall is within a reasonable time frame, but I do tend to give myself 10 or so seconds if I can’t get it off the bat. After that I put in the word/pronunciation “no” and quickly read the answer. Most of the time, I have simply forgotten the mnemonic or done some sort of stupid mistake. I do use the ignore answer plugin for typos and really close definitions. I’ve also started to ignoring mistakes on radicals completely (which I suppose could be a type of cheating).
For the kanji, I usually read it very quickly, trying to picture the story in my head. I’d say I spend only about a minute on every new kanji, much less on radicals since beyond a certain level they are mostly derived from kanji already learned before. But once I learn all the new kanji for my new level, I go to the level page and review all the kanji two or three times in a row, that way it really sticks. It takes perhaps 10-15 minutes after my lessons but after that the story is really anchored in my head. I’ve been leveling up in exactly 7 days for the past 10 levels now doing this, it’s working so well for me.
Yeah, I knew you meant the 6 days 20 hours to 7 days range. I guess I just don’t see my performance as especially inhuman. I do the few minutes of reviewing that I mentioned earlier at the time of the lesson, and I’m careful about how I do the vocab lessons, so I don’t overwhelm myself.
I spend up to a few minutes per kanji. Most of that time is spent finding a vocabulary word I already know or am likely to remember based on kanji I know. For me, knowing vocab using the kanji helps me remember them.
Also, I often get about 50% of the kanji wrong on the first review. It hasn’t really been a big deal.
Whether I retain them at the first quiz after 4+ hours is almost entirely dependent not on when I first learned them but a brief review I do immediately after. What I do is I’ll go through ~30 or so lessons at whatever speed I feel comfortable with, then on the lessons page it has a list of all the new items you learned. I look at each one, say the meaning and the reading out loud, then mouseover it to see if it was right. I usually get many of them wrong that never stuck the first time. If I miss even one of them, I go back through the entire list and repeat however many times it takes until you don’t miss any of them. It works super well because if you’re mad about having to go back through the whole list again just to get to one particular word, you’re very likely to remember that word. And all the others are getting consolidated too.
Try that and I bet you’ll get ~99% on all your reviews up to guru. If I try just increasing the time I spend on each kanj/vocab when first learning them I still forget close to half of them by 4 hours later, but the above method has been awesome.
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That’s exactly what I did.
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I also do that as well.
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That’s exactly what I started doing for all new kanji and it works like a charm. When I have time I do the same thing for any items I got wrong in a regular review too.
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Seems like I’m the odd man out.
I read over all of the information once and move on.
After a bit I review all of the new kanji for my level, but I typically only do that a few times. Then I just let SRS do it’s thing. That being said my average level-up time is around 10 days. To be fair though, that average is dragged down by some outliers around holiday weeks or time I was traveling.
During lessons, I read the mnemonics, but I rush through them (except when I have time to kill… usually I don’t). On the first review session I get 50% fail (or worse). Each time I fail I check the mnemonic. Even if you have to re-answer the ones you get wrong until you get it right, I will usually have forgotten most by the time the session is over. So, then I go through the fail list and again check the mnemonics. Rinse and repeat until the list is empty. After a while I forget the mnemonic and just know the reading/meaning.
Sometimes I know this is じょう (for instance), but why? Then it’s time to check the mnemonic again.
Sometimes I “meditate” for 5 minutes, hoping the answer will reveal itself. I don’t know if it’s true but I have convinced myself that half-guessing the answer (if you get it right, that is…), will solidify the memory. Also, I get great satisfaction from it.
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Yep I do exactly this and use jisho or something for anything I don’t get right. I’ll also look up kanji I already know if I think they may fit into a word I already know or something like that. I’ll also review the mnemonic to help it stick more or make my own.
I regularly look over the whole lists in ranked order of how well I know them particularly when reviews are coming up. I also have a “hard” list of things I get wrong regularly and put that into Memrise. I’ve just started a “WK” list in the Kanji Study app too and I think on harder levels I’ll add all new kanji as I see them and write them a few times as I do.
I’m really enjoying WK as a backbone if you like with all the other useful apps/books/resources hanging off it in some way.
So, I added a step to my kanji lesson process. When I do the lesson, I add it to this sheet. Then over the next hour or so, while doing other things, I occasionally continue to fill out the sheet.
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