I just got an email about Nativshark going live. They only seem to be selling lifetime subscriptions at this point. While you can start now, a lot of material won’t be online until later on this year. They have a roadmap of a lot of the features they plan to add and when. It looks really interesting and can you can start as a complete newbie if you don’t know anything but looks like it will allow you to progress to more advanced grammar and other stuff.
I’m going to finish up Wanikani first, but I think I’ll also give Nativshark a try. I figure by the time I finish up Wanikani, they should have most of their content online and any bugs smoothed out.
I used Nativeshark (previously Nihongoshark) for about 2 years on and off. The provided Anki deck was pretty good and I made it to 1100 kanji within roughly 3 months. I can’t say that this system was bad, because I really retained a lot of the meanings of these kanji and this immensely helps me with WK. However, I tried and stopped 3 times to finish this system and now that I’ve started WK I think WK is the better option, because of the reading and vocabulary. Additionally, Nativeshark uses different meanings for radicals many times which sometimes gets me confused when I learn a new kanji on WK. WKs radicals don’t match my mnemonic I used to learn the kanji on NS, so it’s kind of an unlearn-relearn thing (for kanji that I don’t recall instantly, that is. Many of these 1100 kanji are burned into my head, and here I don’t use any mnemonic anymore). I must add that I didn’t pay for NS, I just used their Anki deck.
So, I say: do either WK or NS, but not both. There is no advantage in doing both.
If you wanna learn all joyo kanji meanings fast: NS
If you wanna learn almost all joyo kanji but both meaning and reading, PLUS vocab (but slower): WK
After having tested both I prefer the slowly-but-surely WK method.
Before I heard about WK I did the NS method, and I did learn all the joyou meanings in 3 months. It was a serious, painful drill.
Did I retain everything ?
Hell no. Do I recommend doing it for WK people? Hell no, but in bold. Does what I retained help me with sturdier programs like WK ?
I don’t regret doing it, I just wish I had known about WK earlier. It’s not a bad tool, it’s a kanji cram that will put meanings into your head, but it’s definitely not for everyone (although you don’t have to do it in 3 months). More importantly, it’s highly redundant with WK.
I’m just wondering what else there is to that platform now that justifies 250 to 1500 bucks for lifetime sub. Especially considering you don’t need a sub to do the 3 months meanings rush. I’m suspecting they want to do some kind of WK-Bunpro-Jpod101 hybrid. But 1500… jeez.
I’ve never tried Nativeshark, but the classic fake sale (putting up the actual price, next to an insane price to pretend its a great sale) is generally the number one warning sign of shitty online courses (especially programming courses).
I would usually agree, and it surely is infuriating, but sometimes a good product is badly marketed. I think about Jpod101 that offers pretty good content (for conversational japanese at least) and which overwhelming ads and e-mails basically look like you got a virus.
I am actually considering it… Seem like they intend to be pretty comprehensive, and even though I already got N2 it might be a good resource. And they also seem to want to add more languages after this year, which could be interesting.