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#8 Feb 24th かえっお to 〜から〜に至るたで 8 80 - 101 22
#9 Mar 2nd 〜から〜にかけお to 結構 8 101 - 127 27
#10 Mar 9th この to こずはない 8 127 - 147 21
#11 Mar 16th く to たたは 8 148 - 174 27
#12 Mar 23rd 目 to もの(だ) 7 174 - 192 19

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I wanted to look for examples of かえっお in the manga I read, not sure that I have encountered it before, but I get too much results of 垰っお spelt in hiragana.

@ChristopherFritz does it break your computer if you look for examples of “かな” in the manga you read? :laughing: not even joking, I asked mine to see for fun how many thousands, and it’s still computing

edit: now it’s done, 30942 results

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  • Running search (no hard drive cache): 13 seconds.
  • Running search (with hard drive cache): 1 second.
  • Loading HTML page listing results: 1 second.
  • Results returned: about 11,000

I encountered the same.

Just so I'm making use of that かな search I ran...

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かえっお

This one comes up very rarely in my reading (after filtering out the 垰っお-in-kana search results, I had something like three).

Here's one instance.

Takeo is concerned about how his girlfriend, Yamato, is doing at her first job. He doesn’t want her to know he’s watching over her, so he keeps hidden. Takeo’s friend is less certain about Takeo’s hiding spot:

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It is also written 华(かえ)っお if the analyzer can give the dictionary form.

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About the register of 必ずしも〜ない – the book says the following:

Among these partial negative expressions, kanarazushimo and subete is much less colloquial than the rest.

Does that mean that 党お and 必ずしも are about on the same level of formality? I’ve never really consciously heard 必ずしも been used, but for 党お it’s mostly clear, so if that could be a benchmark


I vaguely suspect 必ずしも is more formal, though.

かえっお

Learned about this one in the 逆に entry! かえっお is used when one describes a situation/event that occurs contrary to one’s expectation.

The related expression note mentions that the adverb むしろ “rather” can replace all the uses of かえっお in the example sentences here. However, there are many cases in which むしろ can’t be replaced by かえっお because the former is used when “between the alternate choice between action/situation/characterization one is judged to be better than the other” (here’s where the dictionary wording lost me, though I think it’s just saying that むしろ is used when an alternate action/situation/characterization is judged to be better than another), but かえっお lacks this meaning. Looks like むしろ awaits us in the advanced volume, if the club makes it that far, haha.

I don’t see かえっお very often at all in Tokyo Joshi Pro Wrestling (it’s 逆に country over there) but I think I did manage to find one!

This is from after Aja Kong faced Yuki Arai in a singles match on 2023.03.18. Aja predictably obliterated Arai, but Arai put up a good fight:

Hard mode: here’s the video. Aja talked so much in this, shupro actually split up her comments into multiple paragraphs rather than the usual single block I’m used to seeing in their transcripts. As usual, the translations are mine and may contain errors.

アゞャ「シングルは初なんですけど、過去2回タッグでやっおいお。特に最近では1カ月前にやっおるので、ある皋床手の内は分かっおいたなず思いたしたし。たぁ圌女はあず1カ月で成長を芋せたすず蚀っおたしたけど、䞋手な小现工を遣わずに真っ向勝負できたんだなず。自分のもおるスペシャルなもの、Finallyをどれだけアゞャコングに叩き蟌むかず。そういうこずが圌女の遞んだ道で。ある意味そこは正解だったかなず思いたすけど、ただその圌女の䜜戊が 圌女がどう思っおたのかは分からないですけど、少なくおも私にはそう捉えられたので。それが芋えた時に、じゃあ食らおうが䜕をしようが、どうやっお逃げお回埩するかっおこずを瞬時に自分の䞭で考えられたので。どれだけ食らっおおも勝機は芋えるなず思っおたので、それがうたくハマったなずは思いたすけど。

Aja: "This is our first singles match, but we’ve fought twice in tag matches. So I thought I knew what she was capable of, especially since our last match was a month ago. Well, she said she was going to show her growth over a month, and she was able to fight me head-to-head without using any cheap tricks. How much could she hit me, Aja Kong, with that special thing she has, that Finally? That was the path she chose. In a sense, I think it was the right call, but her strategy
 I don’t know what she thought, but she did catch me with it, even if just a little. When I saw that, in a flash she got me thinking about taking anything she might dish out, how I was going to escape and recover. I’d thought that no matter how much I took, I could still see a chance to win, so I think she got me good.

ずはいえ、あんなにいろんな角床でFinallyを受けた人はいたたであんたりいないですよね き぀いっすね、やっぱり。コヌナヌからのや぀ず ゚プロンからのや぀はちょっずたずかったね。ドンピシャすぎお。たさかそこでくるずは思わなかったので、ちょっず油断したしたね。堎倖で反撃したので、さぁここからお仕眮きタむムだず思ったら、たさかあそこでくるずは思わなかったので。レフェリヌがカりントを数えおくれおたのでちょっずたずいなずは思いたしたけど。でも逆を返せば、あそこでちょっず息を敎えられたので。たぁあの状況、今日の圌女でいけばFinallyを狙っおくるだろうずいうのはリングに䞊がった時点で分かったので、そこを远撃できたのはよかったなず。そこからはもうこっちのペヌスだなず思ったので。でも、もっず色んな 小现工っお蚀ったら倉ですけど、最初の時みたいにスリヌパヌずかいろんなこずでかき回すようなこずをしおくるず思ったんですけど、察等に自分のもおるものでくるずいうのが今回の圌女の遞択肢だったなず思うので。

That said, there hasn’t really been anyone else who has taken the Finally from so many angles, has there? She was very tough after all. The one from the corner, and the one from the apron
 those were a bit of a problem. Her aim was dead on. I really didn’t think she would come at me there, so I was a bit careless. I fought back outside the ring, so I thought, ‘well, it’s execution time after this,’ but I really didn’t think she’d approach. The referee was giving the count, so I thought that wasn’t good. But on the other hand, I was able to catch my breath. Well, in that situation, I knew when I entered the ring that she’d be angling for the Finally, so I’m glad that I was able to go after her. From there, I think I had control of the pace. It’s awkward to call them ‘cheap tricks’, but I thought she’d try to mix it up with various tricks like that sleeper hold she did in our first match, but I think she chose this time to come at me with what she had as an equal.

私もたさかこんなに远い蟌たれるずはちょっず思っおなかったので。これで終わるのはちょっず嫌なので『たたやろうな』っお声を掛けたので。次どんな䜜戊で来るかかえっお読めなくなったので、ちょっずより䞀局怖くなりたしたね。今埌、圌女がこれを経おどんな倉化をしおいくのか。どんなふうなプロレスラヌになっおいくのか。それによっおだず思いたすけど、今埌の圌女がより恐ろしくなりたした」

I certainly didn’t expect to be pushed so hard. I don’t like the thought of this being the end, so I called out, ‘Hey, let’s do it again.’ I can’t predict what kind of strategy she’ll show up with next time, which makes her scarier. What kind of transformation will she undergo in the future after this? What kind of pro wrestler will she become? I guess it depends on that, but I’m even more scared of her in the future."

限り1

Adjectives can’t precede 限り, and nouns must be followed by the copula である (or でない).

間は “while” and うちは “while” are used in similar contexts, and they can be used in place of 限り if the 限り clause indicates a time interval. But they can both occur with adjectives, while 限り can’t.

Here's an example from TJPW's 2022.08.28 show with a women-only audience! This was after Nao Kakuta and Mahiro Kiryu teamed up against Moka Miyamoto and Juria Nagano:

Hard mode: here’s the video.

桐生「女性限定興行でした。やったヌ、勝おた ありがずうございたす」

Kiryu: “This was a women-only show. Yay, we won! Thank you!”

角田「ずんでもない。䞀緒に、ね」

Kakuta: “Don’t mention it. It was a team effort, right?”

桐生「すごいなんお蚀うか 女性のパワヌをいただきたした」

Kiryu: “How do I put this
 I was empowered by feminine strength.”

角田「芋枡す限り女性っお初めおで。名前も呌んでくれお拍手しおくれお。最埌、ゲヌト垰るたでずヌっず拍手しおくれお。嬉しかったなっお思ったし、新しいコメント幕にかわいいね。これからの倧䌚も女性をもっず巻き蟌んで、東京女子プロレス、もっず楜しんでいけたらいいね」

Kakuta: “For the first time, I was surrounded by women as far as the eye could see. They called my name and clapped for me. At the end, they applauded me all the way back through the gate. I was so happy, and this new backdrop is so cute, huh? After this show, I hope we can bring in more women, and make TJPW even more fun!”

桐生「ちょヌ楜しみたしょう」

Kiryu: “Let’s have some fun!”

限り2

限り is preceded by either a noun or a number with a counter. Nouns before 限り are usually those which indicate a certain time. N限り is used when a repeated or on-going action, event, or state lasts only until a certain time.

I guess I have a question with example (b):

今日限りで酒もたばこもやめたす。

From today on I will give up both drinking and smoking.

My gut interpretation when I read this example is that the speaker is giving up drinking and smoking just for today. How do we know that it’s from today on? I’m wondering which clues I’m missing which suggest that context


I found a TJPW example for this one, though it's unfortunately a sad context. This was from the press conference they released on 2023.12.31 after Nao Kakuta had to relinquish the tag belts due to her tag partner Hikari Noa having to take time off from wrestling because of her health:

Here’s the video (the part quoted below is the first thing Nao says), and here’s the official transcript.

「初めお獲ったベルトなので返䞊ずいう事実はすごく悔しいですけど、でも決たっおいた1月4日のタむトルマッチに揃っお立぀こずができないずいうこずで、もうその時点で私個人ずしおはふりヌWiFiの負けだなず思っおいたす。なので、今回のこの返䞊ずいう事実を受け止めるこずにしたした。今日限りでこのこずには自分の䞭で敎理を぀けお、区切りを぀けお2024幎は新しい気持ちで頑匵っおいこうず思いたす」

"The fact that I have to relinquish the first belt I ever won is really disappointing, but since the title match on January 4 has already been set and we won’t be able to stand in the ring together for it, at that point, I personally feel that Free WiFi has already lost. So, I have decided to accept the fact that we’re giving the belts up this time. Today, I have to sort out my own thoughts, and after the break, I’m going to do my best in 2024 with a refreshed mindset.”

かか

I was a bit surprised to see this one in the intermediate volume, as this grammar always seemed pretty straightforward to me and I learned it as a beginner, haha.

The first note points us back to the か1 entry in the previous volume and says that the かか construction is used when one is not sure about two choices or possibilities. Normally it’s used to deal with specifically two choices or possibilities, but more than two かs can be used. If the same verb is repeated, the second one can be replaced by どうか (as we read about in the basic volume).

No examples for this because I don’t want to sort through all the results in a ctrl+f search for か 

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When I read this, I thought “oh let me get my 新完党 N2 grammar book, there’s like six different points on 限り in there, one of them should explain”, but not one of them did??

Maybe it’s like “today finally” or “today I reached the limit” or something?

If no one else has an explanation I’ll go and ask Reddit about it.

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I think 今日限りで means “until the end of today” - 限り is attached to the timeframe, not the action. And then it’s paired with やめたす - I will stop (not: “I will refrain from”). So the stopping is an instantaneous action that will take place today (and then the being-stopped mode is carried on into the future, but that is not mentioned in the Japanese sentence).

Found a similar example in daijiten:

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This makes so much sense, thank you! In that case the ADoIJG translation seems a little unfortunately chosen.

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かな

The sentence particle かな is used when one asks oneself about something. As the notes describe it, in essence かな is a marker of monologue question, so this cannot be used as a straightforward question addressed to others. It can be used as such if it’s a yes-no question and if the addressee is an equal or younger one.

If one asks what one should do, Vvol has to be used.

Note 3 surprised me! It says that かな is normally used by a male speaker, but it is often used by a female speaker, too, in casual spoken Japanese. The note gives かしら (in the basic volume) as its normal counterpart. Hilariously, I see かな all the time, and かしら extremely rarely, so I feel like in the modern day, perhaps they deserve to swap volumes


I had no impression of this being gendered speech at all, though I could easily be wrong about that! But I see it quite often in Tokyo Joshi Pro Wrestling, so it appears to be used by modern women in their 20’s and 30’s even in not casual Japanese.

Honestly, I feel like I most often see it used right before ず思う? At least in the context of Tokyo Joshi Pro Wrestling.

Here are a few examples from the TJPW show on 2024.02.10 after Yuki Kamifuku challenged Yuki Arai for the International Princess Championship:

Hard mode: here’s the video.

䞊犏「挑戊衚明をしおきたした、珍しく。そうね、荒井ちゃんは数幎前に東京女子にやっおきおから、ホントにどんどん人を抜いおいっお。しかも暡範解答のような愛されるキャラで、ビゞュアルも最高に良くお。アむドル業ずプロレス業をホントにどっちも匕っ匵っおっお掻躍しおいるずっおもいい子、スヌパヌ゚リヌトだなず思っお。昔から゚リヌトっおちょっずいじめたくなるじゃないですか。わかりたす めちゃくちゃテスト勉匷しおる子がおなか痛くなればいいのに、みたいな。そういうのたたにあるんで。いがみの心じゃないけど、そういうのでたたには誰かに食っお掛かっおみようかなっお。そしお私ずゆきちゃんが、お互いビゞュアル倧事にしおる私たちがぐちゃぐちゃにし合うずころっお盛り䞊がるかなず思っお挑戊したした。頑匵りたヌす。

Kamifuku: “I declared a title challenge, which is rare. Well, since Arai-chan came to TJPW a few years ago, she really has been surpassing more and more people. Not only that, but she’s a textbook example of a beloved character, and looks-wise, too, she’s the best. I think she’s super elite, an amazing girl who’s very active in and is truly leading the way in both the idol industry and the pro wrestling industry. You always get a little bit of an urge to bully the elite, don’t you? You know what I mean? Like, ‘I hope that kid who’s studying super hard for the test gets a stomach ache.’ I feel that sort of thing sometimes. I don’t have an evil heart or anything, but sometimes I just want to lash out. And I thought about Yuki-chan and I, who both care a lot about looks, making a mess of each other and getting fired up, so I challenged her. 
I’m going to do my best!”

必ずしも

必ずしも is used with a negative predicate, and typically the final predicate is ずわ限らない. 必ずしもない is often used in a proverbial expression in which the tense of the final predicate is usually nonpast, but it can be used with past tense.

The related expression note tells us that 必ずしもない expresses a partial negative. This can also be expressed by expressions like みんなはない, 党郚はない, すべおはない, and い぀もはない.

必ずしも and 党お are much less colloquial than the rest. 必ずしも always requires a negative ending, but the others do not.

Unsurprisingly, could not find this one in TJPW!

かねる

I don’t think I’ve encountered this one much, and I found the example sentences pretty tough! The first note says that かねる is often used in formal spoken or written Japanese (ah, that’s why I haven’t seen it
) to express politely that the speaker/writer cannot do something owing to some circumstance.

The negative version Vたす かねない is actually a double negative (this will be easy to remember, I’m sure
), so it literally means “can do something” but it actually means “it is very possible” or “might”.

(It is very possible I’ll have to reference this entry again in the future, I can tell you that now
)

A verb that can take かねる is a verb that takes a first person human subject. In contrast, the verb that can take かねない can take either the third person human subject or the third person non-human subject.

None of the regular potential forms can take かねる either, because it creates double potential meaning. There are two exceptions: 分かる “can figure out” and できる “can” (it says “used with a Sino-Japanese compound”, which I believe means suru verbs?) can take かねる.

Example (g) is an idiomatic case which comes from Vたす of 埅ちかねる “cannot wait” and is exceptional in that it takes a third person subject unlike other cases. No other combination like お埅ちかね is possible.

かねる takes the first person, but when the main predicate is in the progressive form, かねる can take the third person (this is similar to 思う, I think?).

Hey, here’s our friend がたい in the related expressions note! にくい, too. The crucial difference is that かねる conveys the meaning of “cannot” but the other two don’t; rather they convey the meaning of “hard to do something”.

I found this one a little too hard to search for, so I gave up trying to find it in TJPW.

からに至るたで

This construction is used to express a wide range of coverage, and is used primarily in written Japanese. I don’t remember ever having encountered it before.

It’s replaced by からたで in spoken conversation, which I have seen a whole bunch. からに至るたで can’t express range of physical distance or time, so からたで has to be used in that case.

I don’t know why I even bothered searching for this one, haha, but I could find no examples in TJPW.

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Mmm, I wondered if this is something where the norms have slid sideways over time so かしら is more “only if you want to come over as very feminine/girlish” and かな has drifted from masculine towards neutral. (And we’ve discussed before how what the dictionary presents as a straightforward “male speech vs female speech” dichotomy is way more complicated than that in reality.) But I don’t get anywhere near enough non novel input to be at all confident about what is or isn’t common.

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I learned most of my Japanese from 女子高生 and my gut feeling says かな is acceptable for me as a young female speaker in very casual contexts, but, like, barely? Or recently, as in only for young people among themselves? The な ending in general feels a bit tomboyish or wild. それね vs. それな is another example.

Not completely sure about this, just a feeling. As foreigners, we always have more leeway anyway with these things, but still.

(かしら feels way to stiff for me to use with タメ口, but I’m not sure if that’s just a generational thing and an おばさん in her 50s would use it normally)

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かろう
Don’t think I’ve ever seen this one in the wild

結構
Was a bit surprised that there is no mention or example of using it as answer to something:
“do you want more?”
「結構です」= “no thanks, it’s fine”.
Maybe that’s a new usage compared to the time of writing of the dictionary?

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Week 9 begins


March already? Hope things are going well for you all.

Entries: 〜から〜にかけお to 結構
Pages: 101 - 127

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からにかけお

The note says that the かけお in this construction is the Vお of the verb かける whose basic meaning is “to hang something over something else”. This basic meaning is reflected in the meaning of the structure, that is, “extended span of time/space across time/spacial boundaries.” I have a hard time wrapping my head around some of the かける uses, so maybe this’ll help me remember it a bit better.

からたで is similar to this construction, but it indicates a spacial/temporal/quantitative beginning with an end point that’s clear. からにかけお indicates a spacial/temporal beginning with an end point that is not clear.

Couldn’t find any Tokyo Joshi Pro Wrestling examples of this one, though it felt familiar to me so I think I’ve learned it in a textbook before.

からず蚀っお

This construction occurs with a main clause in the negative form, S1からず蚀っおS2 {わけにはいかない / こずはない / etc.} and is used when the speaker expects the hearer (or someone else) to think S2 because of S1 but disagrees with it or denies it, or when the hearer (or someone else) does something because of S1, but the speaker disagrees with that action.

It can be contracted to からっお in conversation.

から can’t be used in place of からず蚀っお. I had to read the point about the scope of わけにはいかない in the related expressions note I. a few times before I feel like it made sense to me


おも and たっお are similar to からず蚀っお, but unlike the latter, sentences with おも and たっお don’t convey the speaker’s disapproval of using S1 as a justification for S2.

Couldn't find any からず蚀っお examples in TJPW. I had a little better luck with からっお, and I think I might even be able to improve a previous one of my translations thanks to reading this entry! This was from after Runa Okubo defeated Haru Kazashiro in their singles match at Wrestle Princess on 2023.10.09:

Hard mode: here’s the video. Transcript is from Shupro like always. Here’s the first chunk:

倧久保「自力初勝利できたしたヌ。やったヌ。東女の䞭で䞀番最幎少で甘く芋られるこずずか倚いんですけど、䞀番歳が近いからこそチャンスがあったし。゚ルボヌずかも負けたくないっお気持ちず、絶察芋䞋しおほしくないっおいうのがあっお。゚ルボヌずか飛び぀きのずか、あず新しい逆の゚ビ固めずかをやっお。自分が勝おお匷いっお思っおもらえたら嬉しいです。自分でも初勝利できるっおいう自信があたりなかったんですけど、負けたくない気持ちがすごい゚ルボヌずかにもこもっおお。やっず自力で勝利を぀かむこずができたした」

Okubo: “I got my first win! I did it! I’m the youngest in TJPW and people often underestimate me, but because she’s the closest to me in age, I had a chance. I don’t want to lose to her in elbow strike exchanges and such, and I don’t want to be looked down on. I did elbow strikes, flying moves, and a new Boston crab hold. I’m happy that I could win and show people that I’m strong. I didn’t have a lot of confidence that I could get my first win, but I struck with my elbows and other moves driven by the feeling that I didn’t want to lose. I finally got my first victory on my own.”

Now here’s the sentence in question: “これからも、やっぱ勝ったからっお次負けるのが自分でもむダなので 䜕回もハルから、いや、みんなから奪えるように頑匵っお詊合しおいきたいず思いたす.”

Here was my previous attempt at a translation: “From now on, since I won here, I’d hate to lose the next one
 I want to do my best in my matches so that I can steal the win from Haru over and over again—no, from everyone.”

Here’s the new attempt: “From this point forward, even though I won this time, I’d still hate to lose the next one
 I want to do my best in my matches so that I can steal the win from Haru over and over again—no, from everyone.”

It’s cool because I couldn’t quite figure out what she was trying to say with the から there, but as it turns out, it was a whole different construction! This makes a lot more sense!

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I always think of weather forecasts for からにかけお because it feels like a set phrase for indicating the areas with rain/sun/etc.

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かろう

I’m not sure I’ve seen this one before? The notes say “the conjectural auxiliary かろう is the contracted form of the no longer used Adj(い) くあろう, and あろう is the conjectural form of ある.”

Interestingly, this can be connected only with an Adj(い). When Adj(な) and nouns are connected with かろう, they have to be negative, because the negative ない is an Adj(い). Verbs cannot be connected with かろう.

だろう can replace かろう without any change of meaning, but the connections for the two auxiliaries are different. And かろう cannot be connected with the past tense, but だろう can. The most basic difference between the two is that だろう can be used in both spoken and written Japanese, but かろう can be used only in written Japanese (probably why I don’t remember having seen it anywhere!).

My cursory search did not turn up any examples in Tokyo Joshi Pro Wrestling.

方をする

This construction is used to indicate a manner in which someone does something. When it’s used in a main clause, the manner is under focus.

When a する verb is involved in Vたす-方, the noun part of the verb is followed by a の. Also, the direct object of the verb in Vたす-方 is marked by の, not by を. So の occurs twice when it’s a する verb.

Expressions like ような話し方をする or ようなものの蚀い方をする can be interpreted in two ways in some contexts.

Long related expressions section for this one. It starts by saying that in some cases, the manner in which someone does something is expressed by the adverbial form of an adjective. But “Adj(い/な) Vたす-方をする” and “adverbial form of Adj(い/な) V” are not always interchangeable.

The dictionary gives three rules: First, the adverbial forms of some adjectives cannot be used as manner adverbs (basically an adverb to mean “in such and such a manner”). Second, Adj(い/な) Vたす-方をする cannot be used when the manner can be described objectively without involving any personal impression. Third, Adj(い/な) Vたす-方をする cannot be used to describe how a person feels.

The entry also compares X ように Y and X ような Vたす-方をする, which both indicate a manner in which someone does something. However, the first is used when expressing an exact likeness. Because of the “exactness” that X ように Y implies, this expression is unnatural if it’s unreasonable to expect that someone does something exactly in the way indicated by X.

Here's an example from the TJPW press conference on 2024.01.03, the day before their annual むッテンペン event, where Yuki Arai would be challenging Max The Impaler for the International Princess Championship:

Here’s the official transcript, and here’s a link to the whole press conference, though it’s decently long (and I’m not timestamping the portion quoted below).

――攻略ぞの䞍安は

――Are you worried about being able to defeat them?

荒井「マックスのどの詊合を芋おもマックスは負けおないし、すごいパワヌを 色んなパワヌの芋せ方をしおる詊合をたくさん芋お。やっぱり、すごい怖い遞手だなっおいうのはあらためお感じたんですけど、誰も勝っおないからこそ荒井が勝ったらすごいず思うので。きっずどこかにある勝ちぞの筋を芋぀けおいきたいず思いたす」

Arai: “In all of Max’s matches that I’ve seen, they’ve never lost, and their incredible power
 I’ve seen a lot of matches where they show that power in different ways. I felt a fresh sense of just how scary of a wrestler they are, but since no one has beaten them, I think it would be awesome if I won. I’m sure there’s a way to win somewhere, and I want to find it.”

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かろう

Pretty sure I see 良(よ)かろう, and to a less extent, なかろう, once in a while, but not sure about everything else about the conjunction.

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I’m a bit behind because life but really enjoyed getting back into the book today.

かねる

Same. That entry broke my brain a bit, especially this one example sentence:

あの男(おずこ)はどんなばかなこずでもやりかねない。

He might (lit. can) do any stupid thing.

And I think this feeling of my brain breaking and taking on a new shape while trying to wrap itself around a new concept is probably the thing I love most about language learning. I love finding out new ways in which Japanese (or English, Spanish, etc.) native speakers just think about things differently than I do, simply because they have a way to express it!

からず蚀っお

As always, I’m more interested in the things I can use in spoken Japanese rather than the written/formal language, and this one in particular stood out because it’s a way to express “disapproval of [someone else’s] action or idea” and that’s absolutely something I want to be able to express in at least five different ways haha
Needless to say, I marked it as “remember this”, specifically the line where it says it “can be contracted to からっお in conversation”.

I took a look at the video, and there’s this point where after saying 勝ったからっお次負けた  and then she stumbles over her words and corrects to 次負けるのが自分でも(
).
I feel like she’s vaguely implying or was about to say something along the lines of “since I won this time, [it’s not so bad even if I were to] lose next time” and that that isn’t the case at all. It’s not very clear, because she ends up not saying it, but it kind of feels like that’s part of what she was thinking? Like there was a voice inside her head saying one possible thing to think at that time would’ve been “次負けたら倧䞈倫じゃないかな” and she wants to make clear that she isn’t thinking that? Not sure but it feels like that.

かろう

(Learned a new word: conjectural. Took a few moments for the penny to drop.)
かろう is the contracted form of adj-くあろう, with あろう being the conjectural form of ある.

aDoIJG insists it can only be used with い-adjectives or negative な-adjectives, but never with verbs. (p. 107, Note 3). Other sources, including Tae Kim, however, say that it can absolutely be used with verbs, as long as they’re negative → use the auxiliary adjective ない, or in the desiderative mood (another new word) (meaning -たい forms) (たい is an auxiliary adjective, too), because as auxiliary adjectives, both of them can be conjugated like any other い-adjective.

And then once I reached the end of the entry I realised why in complete contrast to だろう, かろう felt so stiff to me – I’d overlooked the <w> on the top again


karō can be used only in written Japanese

:melting_face:
The other sources all agreed that it’s quite old-fashioned/outdated btw, might be the reason @fallynleaf hasn’t encountered it during their wrestling translations.

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