ルリドラゴン ・ Ruri Dragon 🐲 (Absolute Beginner Book Club)

I’d say the “why” is because it’s designed to covincingly sound like a human, rather than to be a definitive resource of accurate information.

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Sure, but the “why” in question is more in regards to what the decision is based on. It’s actually one of the bigger issues with AI in general.

If you’re just trying to learn Japanese using an AI for help that’s a minor inconvenience to be wary of, but if you’re basing important decisions on these things (hiring decisions, financial advice, etc.), it can become a pretty big problem.

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One of my tutors actually used ChatGPT in a class with me this weekend :slight_smile:
He used it to generate some example conversations for us to read together, and once we read each one he pointed out examples of where it sounded robotic, and where it made odd word choices and stuff like that. It was really interesting!

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Any underlying trends with the ‘robotic sounding answers’ that you remember?

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A lot of it was that it didn’t use many sentence ending particles, like よ、ね、or なぁ.
And most of the others were using words which were either too formal for the type of conversation, or just generally being a bit vague.

For example, one of the conversation prompts was to write a conversation talking about childhood and part of the conversation went something like:

A: Did you have a happy childhood?
B: Yes, I have lots of happy memories. I travelled with my family.

And that made sense, but in reality a person would probably elaborate on “I travelled with my family.” so on its own it sounds a bit stiff and strange.

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is there by any chance some other channel that explains that? I realy can’t stand cure dolly. This voice and all around it, I hate it. It Creeps me out :sweat_smile:

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The tl;dr is that だって is actually just だ and the short quotation, って put together, giving it a sort of meaning of “you say that, however …”. In Japanese it’s common that you refer back to the previous person’s sentence while speaking, for example if you want to ask someone about X, you might say “Xは…”, and they would reply with “Yです”, implying that the full sentence would be “XはYです”. だって does something similar.

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thank you for the breakdown of the vid. :smiley:

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I’ve heard her name being thrown around somtimes but never actually looked into her. Your comment got me curious so I clicked.

I’m traumatised beyond repair, how am I ever going to sleep now.

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Personally I don’t mind the voice but can’t you just mute it and read the subtitles? The content is great

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Hello I’ve picked this up digitally and will be participating!!! First time trying to do it while it’s all live.

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Hey, I’ll also join this book club :wave:

It’s not my first Manga, but the first book club I join in live. I started with the first two よつばと clubs last month and got a bit spoiled by how extremely active they were back then. Then continued to はたらく細胞 last week, which has been already running for a while and is the current pick of the ABBC. Though, that one feels like a direct fist :sweat_smile:
In the よつばと club, pretty much every question I had was answered. In the はたらく細胞 club, it seems everyone is quite advanced and doesn’t really have questions after week 1, so I feel a bit out of place there… and because it is already running since last year, I didn’t want to annoy the advanced people with my 10+ questions about chapters from months ago. But I’ll definitely finish it!

…anyway! Happy to join here. This time before it started!
btw, it seems ルリドラゴン shrank to L19 from L20 on natively?

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Welcome to your first live book club, then! :smiley:

Let me quote myself from a few posts ago…

There is no way you could annoy people with your questions. It’s literally the purpose of book clubs, and people usually enjoy answering them. And you’ll do a great service for other people that come after you, because they might find their questions answered already.

(And it doesn’t really matter that it’s from past chapters. It just means you’ll have to wait a tiny bit longer for answers, but what I said above still applies.)

Oooh, nice. Since I always prefer lower levels for the ABBC, I’m glad to read that!

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Haha ok, now you summoned a question monster :nerd_face: Thanks!

Oh, and one question I had particularly for this ABBC:
What’s the consensus about repeating vocabs in the vocab-sheet? In the よつばと vocab sheet words were repeated quite always, regardless of if they have been already mentioned in the entire volume or chapter (unless it was already mentioned on the same page, then not). In the はたらく細胞 sheet the consensus was that it should only be repeated if it hasn’t been already included in the table of that week’s reading. I have massively benefited from the former as for an ABBC, so I’d like to know how it is handled here :slightly_smiling_face:

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I think typically it’s the case that it’s not repeated within a week’s sheet.

One option to find words that have repeated is to your browser’s search function on the spreadsheet to search for a word.

Another option is to create a data filter. Normally you don’t want to sort or filter a vocabulary sheet, but creating a data filter allows you to sort and filter without disrupting the order of the rows. But I expect it’ll be faster for most people to type in a word into the find option rather than to look through an alphabetized list. (Disclaimer: If you create a data filter, others can view and modify the data filter as well.)

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I would add to this a bit.
Over time the words that have been somewhat more common also don’t get added, mainly because people get used to it and nobody thinks to add it. But there is no rule for either I don’t think.

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I see, I accept that. It felt strange to me to make this a hard rule when it’s quite a burden to always check if the word has been used before (using filters adds to that), or if it’s the first time it appears and no one has yet inserted it in the sheet. I usually tend to forget things quickly I checked up the day before, especially when I split the reading during the week in multiple days… but that’s my fault :laughing:
Anyway, was just a question, so 問題ない.
Cannot wait for the club to start!

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Very often it’s a single individual, that just has way too much free time on their hand, that goes through that week’s reading and adds most of the words. And usually this person is the same one throughout the entire book club, because there aren’t many people that have that much free time. For them, they probably remember if a word was already somewhere in the book, and for others, adding only a few words, it’s not as bad to check.

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Ah, we’re looking at this from different angles. My thought was the angle of, “I encountered this word, I don’t know what it means, and I don’t see it on the sheet (because the word already showed up previously), so now I need to go look for it in case it appears earlier.”

When it comes to the angle of, “I’m adding words to the sheet, but I don’t know if this word has already been added this week,” I don’t think anyone is going to complain if a word appears twice. (If that were an issue, we’d add something to the sheet to auto-detect duplicates.)

If you’re looking at words on the list as you read, and notice a word you had to look up isn’t on the list for the page you are on, personally, I don’t think it’s the end of the world if you add it without realizing it’s already on the list for a prior page in that week’s reading.

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I definitely wouldn’t classify myself as somebody who has too much time @Gorbit99 :rofl:

But I have a rule for myself that if I look up a word while reading, then I should add it to the vocab list.
It helps me remember the word better than just looking it up, because I need to specifically think about the kanji, then the kana, then the meaning to add it to the list. It also helps me feel like I’m contributing to the club in a meaningful way, since I’m not usually confident enough in my ability to help with many questions in the threads.

For the ABBC I usually go ahead and add the word if it isn’t already on this weeks sheet, I figure that for people who are reading their first manga, or aren’t confident readers its good to have as much of the current weeks vocab in one place as possible to support them.
For the BBC and for offshoot clubs I try to check if its on any previous weeks sheets before adding it to the current one, unless I think its a bit of an obscure or highly specific word that people might not remember easily from a previous week.

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