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Start date: November 13th
End page (bunko): 66
End percentage (bunko): 16
End phrase: この子たち、みんな、こころと同じで学校に行っていないのだ。
End page may be a bit off. Look for a “flower” break.
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Currently up to about 11% - to be more precise: Kokoro just went to a world inside her mirror and has now exited and is staring at the mirror wondering what just happened. I feel like so far in this block of reading there’s been less sentences that have just completely stumped me so that’s a good sign. Still have a couple of questions though:
I’m not sure about the 少しして here - what is the する for?
So here the bit I’m wondering about is the でも - is this the “or something” kind of でも? It just caught me a little off-guard coming after another で
So with this one I’m just not sure what it’s saying overall and feel like I’m missing something
“While her confusion increased, her head gradually ending up becoming composed was scary”? I’m not sure how to make sense of it
I think of it just as saying a little time has passed. Working backwards from that understanding, I think it’s definition 10 of する on jisho.
I tihnk your understanding of the 9% question is correct.
I’m not too sure on this part either, but maybe it’s not her becoming composed that’s scary, but the things she’s realizing once composed (the following sentence, saying that it’s not a dream, etc.) that’s scary. Like I said, I’m not sure though.
For people with a physical copy, page numbers as follows for VikingSchism’s questions above:
8% = p.38
9% = p.42
10% = p.45
and ChristopherFritz’ question is on p.44
I gathered that this meant that Kokoro was afraid she will gradually get used to an increasingly crazy situation-- and not take it seriously, I suppose. She follows this up by taking about how it’s clearly NOT a dream, after all.
しまうis nonpast tense, so it’s not something she’s already done, it’s something she will do
Also! A clue into the great 気がする debate from week one appears on page 57:
Clearly, this is Kokoro’s impressions of her own (somewhat mysterious) feelings. So, perhaps the author uses 気がする in a somewhat idiosyncratic way.
た弾みに has a similar meaning as 途端に
This is the definition that my J-J dictionary spat out
and here is a site explaining this point in more detail
I don’t think it’s idiosyncratic so much as just another possible usage. It didn’t strike me as odd until it was brought up last week, so it probably wasn’t the first time I saw it used that way.
But yes, I think we can be sure ころろ isn’t too sure about what’s going on in her heart.
Aha, so it goes with the “Japanese to English dictionary” word/meaning “moment”. This makes sense at least for the first two words of the sentence now.
It looks like this specific usage only comes up once in the book, so I won’t worry about committing it to memory, but it gives me a new outlook on how to potentially look up grammar in a certain situation.
i’m sorry i don’t have a page number or useful percentage, but my question is for a sentence near the point where the girl with the wolf mask is trying to convince her to stay
「願いが叶うんだぞ！ 平凡なお前の願いをなんでも一つ叶えてやるっつってんだ！ 話、聞け！」
what’s up with this? i was thinking it’s one of the verbs written as つる, but which one is it and how does it change the sentence?
願いを叶えてやると言っているんだ ＝＞ 願いを叶えてやるっつってんだ
Very casual way of saying, usually indicates that the speaker is annoyed.
oh that makes so much more sense, thank you
Just finished the reading for this week. That was a fun chunk of reading - excited to see where it goes from here. Wonder what inevitable double-crossing and betrayal will start going on during the search for the key. And what challenges will need to be faced within the castle
I didn’t come up with any more questions to ask either. Well, I did have one, but on reading the sentence again I got it so I’m happy with that
As I read, me still being fairly new to reading these newfangled “books without pictures” that are all the rage these days, sometimes I’m surprised at how quickly I reach my daily reading quota. And other days I feel like I’m making good progress, until to find I’m behind quota, and on the verge of falling behind for the week. I do seem to be keeping up overall though, and I project to finish this week’s reading on time.
Working my way through, it’s been interesting to see what was added into the manga adaptation. From having read the first chapter of the manga already, I have an idea of what to expect, but then there keep being little things here and there that I expect, but they don’t happen (because they were done only in the manga).
For example, about halfway through this week’s reading, when Kokoro is about to go through the mirror again, she decides to take something with her, just in case:
Just finished this week’s reading as well. What an exciting week! Thing’s are way faster-paced than i expected. I can’t seem to put the book down, which is frustrating because I end up finishing in one sitting and having to wait a week to read more.
Here’s a discussion question: What do you think about the way the parents are handling the situation?
They seem supportive and empathetic but I can’t help but think there may be a better way to handle it. There’s an implied aloofness that seems to stem from the fact that they’re both working, but I can’t criticize them for that. Perhaps it’s more of a lack of communication–they clearly care deeply about Kokoro, but this seems to manifest itself as seeking external help and talking with the school and teachers. There’s yet to be a scene where they speak genuinely to Kokoro and attempt to get her to open up about her anxieties and feelings. Instead of letting Kokoro tell them how she feels, they ascribe thoughts and feelings to her, such as “I thought you said you liked the school”, or “don’t you remember when you would only eat the gyouza skins?”
Yes, agreed! They’re not bad people and I think the book does a good job so far to show how hard such a situation can be. I shouldn’t forget that it is very very hard to deal with a child (or anyone for that matter) who refuses to talk about what is going on. I’m sure we’re going to learn a lot more about what happened before and about what is going on under the surface. And I assume all the other kids will have their own difficult situations. So much book still to go!
It’s been like a month though, right? Book starts in May. Japanese school year starts in April.