Who Has Reached Higher Levels with no Scripts? Raise Your Hands

What do you consider the definition of “full speed Grammar, vocab, WK, KW and HelloTalk”?

I’m curious about the time commitment on such a high pace schedule and how many hours of study it ends up being in a day or a week.

For example, does it mean:

  • Every waking hour? (Full speed minus sleep)
  • Forty hours a week? (Full as in equal to full time employment/studies)
  • Whenever you have free time? (Full speed minus work/separate hobbies/time with friends)
  • Other?

Wanikani has a set max speed, but what does full speed entail as for the other parts of the language? What is full speed on grammar for example? Or full speed on HelloTalk?

I wouldn’t say I’m especially high level, and I’m also pretty darn slow (but still moving!) going through WK, but I don’t currently really use much. I used to use a reorder for lessons to control how many radicals, kanji, and vocab I had starting at any one time, but now WK batches up radicals then kanji for you before vocab anyway. Sometimes I still use it if there are too many new kanji at once to get some vocab going simultaneously (I like a mix, personally, as long as kanji is still getting in there in a somewhat timely fashion). I make a fair number of typos in reviews because I’m usually going pretty fast, but I usually slow down and double-check my mnemonics for new radicals and kanji I’m trying to guru anyway. The override script might move things along a little faster for me, but I figure I might as well just see whatever I mess up again anyway. One other thing I do have going is a level celebration script. So maybe my level-up cat gif is the secret cheat for me :slight_smile:

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Sorry if I used a term that is not the most correct. “Full speed” was a way to say “I’m doing those things the best way I can without crossing the barrier of burning out.” More specifically, this is what I meant:

  • For WaniKani, I’m doing a level every 7 days.
  • For KaniWani, I’m following my progress on WK.
  • For vocab, it means that I’m learning words outside of WK every day. I don’t have an amount defined per day nor do I worry about it. My only goal is to keep progressing. I might study 3, 5 or 20 words, I don’t really care. Doing the reviews of what I’ve already learned on Memrise takes priority to me. Plus, it really depends on the work I have extra outside of my Japanese studies. I also don’t try to learn too much if my body isn’t in its best conditions. For example, I won’t even dare to learn too many words if I only slept 6h that night. I also don’t study when I’m stressed. I always make sure to isolate myself from external stuff so I can better focus on studying.
  • For grammar, I try to review at least 1 thing that I’ve been having problems with or learn a new concept.
  • For HelloTalk, it means exchanging messages with my main language partner every day.

It might seem too much, but I try to make this as efficient as possible. For example, during my conversation with my language partner, If I make a grammatical mistake, I make sure to review it the next day or even in that same day. If my partner used words that I haven’t learned, I use the context of the conversation to learn them. It makes the learning easier :slight_smile:

I don’t wanna sound too sure of myself or anything. I apologize if I sounded like that :slight_smile:

EDIT: I also don’t worry much about time. There are days where I’m more free than others. Plus, if I finish my tasks early, I won’t try to push for more. For WK, I make sure to check the phone every hour during the day (instead of checking FB).

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Do your own thing. Our daily routine is much more than studying Japanese. Try 5 words. Check them the next day and try to learn some more. You’ll find your own pace soon enough :slight_smile:

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I think that sounds like a great mindset! To try to do something everyday and keep a balance is all one can ask for in my book.

My motto in Japanese is 継続は力なり - Continuation becomes strength.

For me, Wanikani right now takes up the majority of my study time as I have picked up the pace a bit in order to reach that final level, so I can absolutely respect those who are able to juggle more aspects of the language.

I also reread my post and I also apologize if I sounded accusatory, I was simply curious about how ambitious people study. Thank you for taking the time to satisfy my curiosity.

Let’s keep going forward!

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The Font Randomizer Jitai that @windupbird mentioned is a great example of why script in and of themselves aren’t necessarily making things easier. Jitai is a script that actually makes your reviews take more time, at least until you get used to the fonts you choose to use.

Another example would be the “Close but no Cigar”-script which forces you to imput the exact correct answer in English instead of allowing some letters to be wrong.

So I firmly believe that the act of reaching higher levels without scripts really doesn’t say anything at all about how much effort you put in in comparison to someone who has used scripts. It is not a bigger achievement.

Scripts are neutral. there could be a script that makes you burn everything automatically, there could be one that changes the color of an element on the site, or there could be one that automatically marks all your answers as wrong. (I think all these three actually exist).

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I would Love that script for Memrise! At least in the computer you have to type in the answer several times too, on the phone you pick choices and choose kana boxes to piece the word together… I dont really like it too much that way, but I still learn pretty well from there, and I think It’s a lot more relaxing using the app over the PC version :neutral_face:

So, looking through the replies, I cannot find anyone who actually responded to the question. Instead, everyone seems to have answered whether or not scripts are useful or could be considered cheating.

I am going to take this to mean that nobody reaches higher levels without using them.

Thanks.

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Thank you. I wasn’t really looking for a debate about this. People seem to have strong, perhaps somewhat even emotional opinions about this, which is somewhat understanding considering how much time we all invest in Wanikani, therefore we all want to believe we’re making the best use of that time. I really just want to know who has succeeded without using them.

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Probably people that never used the forum and are not aware of their existence.

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When I read through the replies I see a lot of people who atleast imply that they use scripts and then provides their reasoning for why they do so.

Some quotes are:
“I wouldnt want to use WK without scripts now that I’ve seen them.”
“I don’t really use any scripts of consequence”
“Could I complete WK without scripts? Yeah I guess. Would I want to? Noooope.”

Doesn’t that mean they responded to the question?

The topic of this thread also makes it difficult to answer the question if you use scripts, since it is only aimed at people who does not use them. At the same time people want to voice their opinion.

I think some of the emotional responses has to do with the original wording of the thread, before the edit.

“A lot of users on the forums talk as though scripts are virtualy essential for success” can be interpreted as a challenge to how people use Wanikani or an accusation that the way that they use the site is in a “less pure” way. Not saying that was the intention, just that it is a possible interpretation that could have been avoided by more careful wording.

I think the edit that was made makes it better, but I am not surprised that this initial confrontational tone gives echoes in the kind of replies that get posted. If there is anything to learn here I think it is that wording of the first post of a thread is immensely important to how the rest of the discussion pans out.

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Like most people have said, learning kanji is learning kanji. There’s no script to make it easier really.

There are people who care more about levelling up than learning the kanji and abuse scripts to level up as fast as possible, but those kinds of people don’t usually last long.

Sorry, I forgot to mention that the script only works on computer. I think there’s no solution for the app. Maybe you could try this to see if it works:

Script: https://github.com/cooljingle/memrise-all-typing/raw/master/Memrise_All_Typing.user.js

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The number of people who reached higher levels is really small anyway, you won’t see many hands in any case.

And your question could also imply that WK is not optimal because so many modify it, but it is actually a smart move from the developers side to let their users implement features on their own for free. This question wouldn’t have come up if there were checkboxes for everything in the settings already included.

I also use KaniWani and the lack of ultimate timeline makes me a bit nervous, the default “next hour/next day” info is kind of useless.

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Using Violentmonkey would only work if he/she uses Firefox and goes to the memrise website instead of using the actual app, but I’m not sure if the web version of memrise works well on smartphones?

This is also one of the main reasons I stopped using Memrise, as there was no way to disable multiple choice answers on the app.

I just take them as they come. No rush and I don’t see the benefits of knowing when reviews will happen etc. If I make a typo then I make a typo - I still know the word whether WK records that I do or not. I’m happy with how WK works as it is but each to their own.

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Yep, it was the same for me for some time. I discovered this script recently, so yeah now I only use Memrise on the computer. It’s not like I spend all day using it like WK, so that makes things easier :slight_smile:

Sounds like I should give it another go with this script then :wink: Thanks for sharing!

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It’s a question that implies something strange, that’s why the actual question was largely ignored. If someone used the script that turns their burned items background gold, then by his definition they “didn’t reach the higher levels no scripts” but what exactly did we learn about getting to the higher levels from that info?

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I didn’t use any scripts other than the correction one on my phone (due to fat fingers).
It takes a long time :slight_smile:

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