The 🤼 プロレス thread! Learning Japanese through pro wrestling

[rodan]

@fallynleaf

Uh oh, here she is with the weird phrasing again: “この優勝は私にとって10年目の正直.”

“This victory is, for me, it’s been ten honest years.

I don’t think it could mean that, because 10年目の正直 literally would be “tenth year’s honesty” not “ten years’ honesty.”

It tooke two or three tries (ho ho ho) but I happened to find the key to the phrase here, after noticing a rarely useful “People also ask” saying “「度目の正直」とはどういう意味ですか？”

三度目(さんどめ)の正直(しょうじき) の解説
占いや勝負で、一度や二度は当てにならないが、三度目は確実であるということ。転じて、物事は三度目には期待どおりの結果になるということ。三度目は定 (じょう) の目。

So it sounds to me like she’s saying essentially “this tournament for me was tenth time the charm”

@fallynleaf

was a bit confused by “10年越し” in this chunk. The big long sentence that follows was a bit tricky because it’s big and long, haha, though maybe I got it?

Weblio provides:

数詞などの後に続いて用いられ、その期間ある物事に携わっているさまなどを意味する表現。例えば、三年間にわたって試験勉強をした末に試験に合格した様子などを、「三年越しの努力が実った」などと表現する。

So through her efforts across the ten years, she was able to at last win the championship at the end of it / the tournament win is the culmination of efforts in those ten years.
So a little less “in the 10th year” and more “after 10 years” here.
(the rest seems fine)

@fallynleaf

These sentences were a bit tough: “自分がチャンピオンの時でさえ、この人が持つベルトってすごく魅力的になるんだろうなって。実際持った時にすごく魅力的に感じて、だからこそ持った瞬間に絶対いつか挑戦したいって思って.”

"Even when I’m the champion, I think any belt that is held by someone like her is very alluring. I found it really alluring when she was holding it, and that’s why I knew the moment she held it that I was absolutely going to challenge for it someday.

I interpreted the first part more as “Even when I was the champion, I thought that a belt held by her would be very alluring.”
Like I think her overall point is that she pictured positively Mizuki with the Princess of Princess Belt even when she herself was the champion.

@fallynleaf

I think I got this part, but thought I’d double check, haha. I assume she’s talking about the special skills field that shows up onscreen during shows/in the show pamphlets and such? “なので特技の欄をトーナメント制覇にします。特技みたいなもんでしょ？ ジャンル別で取れてますから。なので私の特技は今日からトーナメント制覇ってことになります.”

“So the special skills field will say ‘tournament mastery.’ That’s like a special skill, right? Because I won in different genres. So starting from today, my special skill will say ‘tournament mastery’.”

Definitely the general idea!
I think though the joke is a little more like – she’ll put that on her resume and stuff like that. I got a lot of results about filling out your 履歴書の「趣味・特技」欄
A more likely field to show up on match graphics and pamphlets is the 得意技 - a wrestler’s signature move. But although they look easily confusable and related, in speech they use different readings of 技 (とくぎ vs とくいわざ), and I don’t think I’ve seen a 特技 listing in a wrestling context.
I would phrase it like “So from now on I’ll put down ‘winning tournaments’ as my special skill.”

@fallynleaf

Here’s Kamiyu’s comments. As usual, she gives me trouble right away, haha. This chunk was a bit tricky: “いやぁ…気付いたら決勝にいて、ヤマピがきて。昨日の時点でヤマピがブロンズ像みたいだなって思ってて。ブロンズ像近づいてきて、とにかく自分の持ってる知恵を全部使ってね.”

seems fine!

@fallynleaf

it was hilarious watching her dance to Genghis Khan

lol, I scrolled all the way back to 2013 for the privilege and I can confirm that Kamiyu is right here. Pleasantly surprised how far Wrestle Universe goes back, and although I sure wish it were paginated, the scrolling was a history lesson on its own… I would NOT have guessed Yoshiko was in NEO Biishiki Gun, for one.

@fallynleaf

The “ポジティブな気持ち” in this line was a bit tricky to figure out how to translate: “その人に本気でかかってもらえたらよかったっていうポジティブな気持ちがあるのと.”

I would say the と at the end is going back to the previous sentence and like, stuff she was thinking before, and the ポジティブな here is as in like, forward-looking, optimistic. Like, she was thinking that it would just be nice to have a serious match with her, (and so when she had the match, it didn’t weigh on her so much that she lost).

@fallynleaf

I think I was able to figure this out, maybe? “これマジで内緒なんですけど、試合終わった瞬間に世界のアジャコングから『頑張ったね』ってラインが来たので。その時点でやばくね？って。2日連続やばくね？ だってさ、アジャコングってミッキーみたいなもんじゃん。生まれた時から何か知らんけどみんな知ってるやん.”

“This is seriously confidential, but the moment the match ended, I received a LINE message from the worldly Aja Kong saying ‘You did your best’. At that point, I thought, ‘Isn’t this wild?’ ‘Two days in a row, isn’t it wild?’ Because Aja Kong is like Mickey. Somehow, everyone alive knows of her.

This seems okay. I’d maybe try to nitpick “worldly” - I feel like the original is more like “international treasure”, sort of, but I don’t have a very good phrase to slot in there (and that one I used would maybe be a bit of a stretch).

@fallynleaf

This sentence gave me trouble on the first pass, though maybe I got it on my second try: “でも別に進んでまた頑張って頑張って一番になりたいっていうのは…まだ心の準備ができてないなって思うので.”

“But being like ‘Do your best, do your best, I want to be number one!’… I don’t think I’m mentally prepared for that yet.

I think the thing I’d tweak is adding in the dropped 進んでまた.
Like she’s saying she’s not mentally prepared yet for a rerun of this tournament - again advancing and then being like “dang I wanna work hard and win it.” So I’d tweak it to “But advancing again and being like…”

@fallynleaf

so I’m going to experience that sort of thing and gain confidence.”

These lines were tricky: “自信をつけた時に初めて『やる』って言いますね。一生つかないかもしれないけど.”

“And when I do, I’m going to say ‘I’ll do it’ for the first time ever. Though it might not last the rest of my life.”

I hear 自信をつけてから for the first part here, and I think probably what she’s saying across all this is that like, after she has experiences like that and gains confidence, she’ll be able to say for the first time with confidence “I’m gonna do it.” But she may never find that confidence her whole life.
The 自信をつけてから connecting up with the つかない at the end.

@fallynleaf

These sentences were really tough. I had trouble with ワンチャン again, haha, and tried googling around to figure it out, but still didn’t really understand… “まぁ別に東京女子じゃなくてもいいんです。なんか、どんな仕事やっててもうぜえこと言われることあると思うんですけど、もうワンチャン自己満でよくね？っていう世界に入ってきて。なんか負けないでほしいですね。周りは周り、自分は自分。人生を面白くするのは自分次第なので。文句言われても、もうヤバくね？みたいな。別に家がなくても自分が楽しいと思えばそれでいいし。もう好きに生きたらいいよって思いました.”

“So, from here, current teenagers and trainees and such. Well, it doesn’t have to be TJPW. I think there are things that people will say no matter what kind of work you do, but maybe you’ve already entered a world where it’s just like ‘it’s okay to be self-satisfied, huh?’ I don’t want you to lose. Your surroundings are your surroundings, and you are you. It’s up to you to make your life interesting. I’m like, ‘even if people complain, it’s still wild, isn’t it?’ I thought, ‘Even if you don’t have a house, it’s alright as long as you’re having fun. You should just live how you want to.’”

Oh noooooooo I let you down last time!
Kamiyu’s 2 cool 4 me it turns out – last time it came up I think I went wrong by searching for ワンちゃん slang, assuming the slang itself still involved dogs, but I should have searched for ワンチャン because it comes from ワンチャンス. According to for example, this page.
It seems a Kamiyu-ish way of saying like “もしかしたら” or “if by some chance” that kind of thing… and that usage fits with the last time it came up too… Alas! A documented case of the old translation pitfall of slightly misinterpreting and being completely on the wrong track entirely!

Here I would say she’s giving advice of like roughly : if you or anyone finds yourself in a situation (doesn’t have to be in TJPW - she figures no matter what job you do there will be people who complain) if you already find yourself in “what, like it’s wrong to have pride in myself?” mode then I don’t want you to give up.

@fallynleaf

Your surroundings are your surroundings, and you are you.

This is maybe a bit over literal, but I guess it’s fine. I know the phrase construction from anki with 他所は他所、うちはうち. And I’d say she’s saying more directly in English like - “it’s your business, not theirs.”

@fallynleaf

文句言われても、もうヤバくね？

@fallynleaf

‘even if people complain, it’s still wild, isn’t it?’

I feel like the もう is something else getting a little lost in the transcript, but I would say here she’s giving an example of like, how you should shrug stuff off. If people complain about you, just go “dang pretty wild huh” like her.

@fallynleaf

(If you haven’t seen it before, here’s Miyu dancing to Genghis Khan. Our beloved ace has come a long way, haha.)

haha I guess it wasn’t wrestle universe I had to scroll through…

@fallynleaf

With this chunk, I wasn’t sure what she meant by “作品が違う”, though it sounds like maybe she’s talking about, like, a different genre of being? Like, Mizuki’s in Pretty Cure, and Miyu would be a monster in a different show. But I dunno. “ホントにバケモノ？ 作品が違う？ 人間？ みいちゃんは私のこと『めっちゃプリキュアみたいだね』ってわざわざお客さんが上げた写真を保存して私に送ってくるんですけど。みいちゃんはどっちかっていうと違う作品に出てる大きい強いバケモノ…？みたいなかんじなんですけど.”

“Is she truly a monster? A different type of work? A human? Mii-chan saves the photos that the audience members took the trouble to post, and she’ll send them to me saying, ‘You look like a Pretty Cure.’ It feels like Mii-chan is more like a big strong monster that shows up in a different kind of work? But I don’t want to lose.”

I think you’re on the money!
The どっちかっていうと has been lost and I would say from looking it’s like, “if I had to choose” which strengthens your interpretation as in like, paraphrased, “Miyu says I’m like from Pretty Cure, but if it came down to it and I had to say where she’s from, it’d be from a different work than that entirely.”
So just a little punching it up with the confidence in that meaning would be good.

@fallynleaf

These sentences were tricky: “こういうとこーって思いながら、そういうところがホントに嫌だなって思うけど。

@fallynleaf

While I was thinking about that, I thought, ‘that’s what I really hate.’

I think she’s maybe saying here like “Right as I was watching thinking ‘in this kind of situation she’ll do so and so’, that monstrousness came thrugh and made me really not want to fight her.”

@fallynleaf

そうやってみいちゃんにしか分からない苦労がいままでの人生であって

I feel like the そうやって here is probably still referring to the そういうところ about Miyu, rather than Mizuki respecting her, and so I feel like Miyu is still the topic and Mizuki is saying that there’s troubles in Miyu’s life that only she knows (from the path she chose, just as there’s troubles only Mizuki knows from her own life).
But it feels like a JLPT answer I could be getting wrong…