Outlier Kanji Dictionary and etymology for teaching

You mean “The World of Kanji” book? I would be interested if the e-book works, but I downloaded the sample and see lots of black rectangles instead of pictures and some “glyph not found” symbols, so it looks like a “no” for Kindle.

Also if it has good indices to find kanji (for example with the same components), or if it is just a huge collection of independent entries. And then just if it is well-written and interesting, I guess :slight_smile:

I suspect the ebook version is good for more powerful ebook readers. Those that can process more.

Regarding indices, it has a radical index and a kanji index. But the entries themselves are independent.

It is interesting and accessible, but it’s not a work of art by any standard.

I’d consider this a book where one might either find pseudo-mnemonics of interest or just something to blankly stare at and say “ooh, that’s interesting”. Links between characters at different stages are shown. The pseudo-mnemonics appear to pull from original meanings.

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Thanks for your answer, I will read around the black blocks a bit to see how it is written. Can you also get a PDF of it? I think in e-reader format getting the layout and obscure character right is at least very difficult.

It sounds like the Outlier could have a large edge over that book, and that book was kickstarted with 85,000 Euro. Outlier will have better interconnection (even if it doesn’t maximize the potential), and the entries look more detailed both in text and images. I wonder what is wrong? [$40 for both physical and digital does sound sexier …]

What are you referring to? :thinking:

Yes, I got a PDF when I bought it.

I wish Outlier would bother developing their own product :confounded: I know I would jump on the opportunity for a real resource as opposed to what is the educational equivalent of a game mod.

I meant the book basically promised the same thing as Outlier and was buried in money. I was considering before that maybe there are not so many people interested, but after seeing the book kickstarter I’m convinced that technically it should be possible to raise maybe $100,000. If you would print the stuff they already got you could probably fill 4–5 books, they cover more kanji in much greater detail. And they already have a big dictionary that shows that they can pull it off.

I wonder why the last kickstarter failed and the new one looks like it pulls the same people mostly.

I would guess

  • Quite high price (especially for the “add-on” character)?
  • People actually want books?
  • Observed value of digital goods like apps is much lower than a physical book even with more content
  • “Lifetime” is too relative if either the app or the dict goes belly-up
  • Not much benefit/delta to Chinese edition
  • They already have a source of income, they should monetize their IP themselves instead of kickstarter? (On the other hand you mainly buy the dict in advance)

Ah, I see what you mean.

I wish you’d numbered your bullet points, but I’ll pretend you did so I can use the numbering in return :yum:

  1. This is a problem. If they’d reached out to a few Superbackers, they’d have gotten feedback on that. I would have been happy to help them craft an adequate campaign if they’d asked.
  2. I confess, I’m not convinced by this, and given your question mark, I suspect you aren’t either :thinking:
  3. This is a perception I hope we will some day change. But yeah, in principle this does appear to be true :sweat:
  4. Yeah, dependencies have too many problems, such as this one.
  5. This pissed me off about the product. I got the impression that they did a transposition for a quick buck. Of course, I’m probably wrong and whole lot of content work went into this, but whether I’m right or wrong is not the question. The bigger point is that I got that impression. And you definitely don’t want potential backers to get that impression.
  6. This does not seem to be too problematic to me :thinking:. Many established companies with their own IP raise money on KS.
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I just answer to some, basically I agree with you.

.1. I can see why they can’t just change the price when the Chinese edition costs $60, but I wonder if they wouldn’t do better overall with their own relatively cheap app (say $9.99) that includes some mini-edition, and fine-grained not too expensive add-on (“all bone script images” for $4.99 or something) to get more people hooked and make roughly the same money with the complete data. But I guess they did the math. [But at least I would have bought it twice if it was like $20.]

(Edit: they should also make it findable via App stores, I think 90% of people miss the dict because that is where they would search)

.5. If you have several Master’s/Ph.D. level people on something the cost raises quite fast, you can burn through $30k in a few months if they are not only in it for the passion :slight_smile: The transition definitely doesn’t do itself. But I also got some lingering feeling that the Japanese version could and should be much more adapted; then even the $60 price tag would be acceptable. On the other hand they kickstarted the Chinese version for $90k where they presumably did everything from scratch with a seven people team, now it’s down to four with 90% (?) of the content already in place.

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Fyi: in the comment section they did just hint at wanting to do a web based version too. I’m hoping this really becomes available because it would be much more convenient while working with WaniKani on the desktop.

It looks like they will make their fund target, but not by a big margin. I hope they come up with some stretch goals fast to gain a bit more momentum.

I asked them some time ago to add a tier with both Chinese and Japanese Expert edition together (I think some people are interested in this), but they are still checking it because Kickstarter may forbid to get money from already kickstarted things. But I remember that Inxile was bundling their older games, maybe Kickstarter changed their rules?

This is a very common practice and is not a problem at all.

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