I’d love to join in! Just subscribed to start level 4
Wow that’s a clean timeline! Would you mind sharing your schedule? I have some difficulty finding mine (your start is looking like mine…).
For the kanji I’m using memory palaces and Mnemonics(markers), but for the vocab I’m only using mnemonics.
I’m find it a lot easier to remember the kanji because of the extra memory step if you will. Vocab gives me more trouble. You guys with more experience is it enough with mnemonics to remeber so many vocab? or do you use something else to help?
I actually find the Vocab easier most of the time, especially the Kunyomi seems to be quite easy to remember for me sometimes. Maybe because the Kunyomi is more unique than the onyomi in a lot of words. Also I know quite a lot of the more simple vocabulary already, so that makes it of course easier for me as well.
Talking about another approach to remembering vocab / kanji: Once I remember the meaning of a kanji by heart, I tend to “forget” the radicals used within it. I think at some point it seems more natural to make a link between the Kanji and the Vocab and vice versa. So sometimes I will be able to remember a Kanji reading (or meaning) because I know a word where it is used in or I will be able to remember / guess the reading of a vocabulary because I know the Kanji. I would think of it more as a circle of referencing rather than a one-way street of mnemonics.
Most important is I think to actually use the words. Reading the example sentences, getting a feeling for how the words are used. I think sometimes we focus so much on learning more and more Kanji and not actually using the words that we know. I think if you try to keep using the words / reading them, you will get a natural understanding and at some point know the words without having to use the mnemonics repeatedly. Having said that, in my opinion especially the gap between knowing the Kanji and knowing a compound-word seems like the last 20% you have to do, while it also helps you “consolidate” the Kanji you already know. But that’s just my personal experience. Would be nice to hear some other people’s opinions.
Anyways, I wouldn’t worry that much if you are just starting up. Once you get a better feeling for the language it will naturally be more easy to remember the vocabulary, especially if you saw one word or another somewhere else before or realize it popping up everywhere suddenly you learned it here.
I am from Germany and probably started learning Japanese like 10 years ago, on and off for the most time. I would say my understanding for smalltalk in Japanese is quite sufficient, but anything that goes beyond that my vocabulary understanding is really not enough, which is why I started WaniKani again. I once came until level 9 like 7 years ago, and then quit for some reason or another. I recently starting to get motivated about improving my Japanese again, and so far it is really going well and I am having a lot of fun.
Thank you for the feedback postliminal!
Pleasure to meet you!
I’m going to follow your advice and start using the vocab in my day to day so I can get use to it.
Anyone have a system for using vocab?
I recommend memory palaces because it makes kanji/vocab retrival easier than just seeing the kanji/vocab and going “aha!”. I found memory palaces to be great but it does take more time and can get quite big.
I’m a WOW fan (though I do not play anymore) and I’m using maps such as Ogrimar and Stormwind to store the kanji. Did the same for hiragana. What I found is that after using the mnemonics and palace to remember things, after a while I discard the palace because I know the material. This was my experience with hiragana and I’m suspecting the same will happen with Kanji.
Question to you postliminal. I know next to nothing about the german language. For me spanish and english are very different from japanese. How does german compare to japanese?
I’m still an early user, but I’m short on time and always looking for new ways to increase my efficiency.
Here I’ve mentioned my personal set of tricks and the schedule: Forecasting Reviews on the Dashboard
That seems like a real creative way to remember Kanji!
Can you give an example how you “convert” the mnemonics to something in your memory palace?
I heard a lot about this approach, but never really in regards to Kanji learning. I for example would understand how you can remember a list of groceries - kind of by going through a room and seeing the different items - but I wouldn’t know how to use it if I saw a Kanji.
German is very similar to English grammar-wise, and even Spanish grammar and word-order is relatively easy to get a feeling for I would say. So I would guess learning Japanese is pretty much the same for me as it is for you. The only thing I always found quite easy was the pronunciation, because it is very similar to the Japanese way of talking. I guess that could be the same in Spanish, as opposed to English?
I’ll absolutely join! I started just a few days ago, and I’m planning to go at a somewhat high speed. Because of corona I have a lot of time on my hands, and I’ll use it for my Japanese study. Does anyone have any recommendations as for what to do while using WK? Should I start grammar? maybe try and read? although I’m not sure I can read much at level 2
From my experience, learning grammar required kanji along the way. I regret wasting time like that.
I came back to grammar at about 14th level and it felt like magic - I was 100% focused on the grammar patterns and (most) kanjis seemed as natural as English words.
Lots of people share their experience - you can start looking through them after you have a feeling of WK (at least 4 levels, I think).
Here’s my humble compilation: Forecasting Reviews on the Dashboard
So an example would go like this. There is a location on the Stormwind map that I have. This is a fountain in the original map. Here I have stored the 九 (nine) Kanji. It has 3 readings, きゅう、ここの and く. So what I did was, I have a mountain of COCONuts where the KYUUbi (nine tail fox from naruto) is fighting a KUng fu guy. I remember the meaning nine because of the kyuubi’s nine tails. The mountain of coconuts replaces the statue in the fountain.
Yeah most definitely. Spanish has a lot of pronunciation similar to japanese. The らりるれろ set I find it pretty easy to pronounce for example.
Wow that’s pretty creative! I like the Kyuubi haha!
But how do you know where to look if you see 九? Does it mean you already have to know the meaning to get to the reading?
I’d recommend reviewing the kana until you feel very comfortable with them. Aside from that, I also really love Cure Dolly’s videos on youtube. She teaches Japanese structure and grammar in a very easy to understand way, and you don’t need much Japanese knowledge to follow along. The website Bunpro is also great for reviewing (not learning) grammar, it features an SRS system similar to WK.
I also think grammar is quite important. If you know how to tell adjectives, verbs and nouns apart, just that can already help a lot. I mean WaniKani gives some slight hints at that, but if you know some basic grammar a lot of stuff will be much more easy to understand and to remember. For example being able to read the example sentences is quite essential in my opinion. Also some nouns can be kind of used as adjectives or adverbs. So just knowing that can make it easier to understand the different meanings a word can have. I heard a lot of people are using Bunpro, or Minna no Nihongo, but I personally don’t have any experience on that. I guess there should be some nice guides somewhere here as well.
Thanks a lot! Very insightful.
Just to be sure I understand your schedule, when exactly (in a week) are you doing your lessons?
What is happening with the voice?? Is it a real person??? I am confused…
I started Japanese because of anime as well! I really got serious about it when my school closed. (I’m in New York.) I’m using the free time to learn Japanese! I’m also learning Chinese (Mandarin) as part of school, and I find that it really helps. The characters are similar.
I think it’s machine generated? I just started myself so I’m not entirely sure of the background here. I know it’s a bit weird to get used to at first but I think it’s worth it.
If you don’t already do this, try installing a WaniKani app on a phone or tablet. It helps me do my reviews when I’m too lazy to get up.
I’m learning new critical kanjis/radicals ASAP: on Saturday morning (10, 14 then 22 o’clock) and on Tue/Wed at 20, 00 and 10 o’clock in the morning. If I really need a Sunday evening (drinks?), I don’t learn the kanjis on Saturday and just learn the radicals.
I review the vocab in batches strictly by SRS intervals, but learn my lesson whenever it fits my mood and schedule (trying to stick to 10-14-22 or 20-00-10 time pattern).
Take note: for level critical kanji and radicals I’m using Double Check script. Make sure you don’t overuse it.
I would also like to join in on this! I used Wanikani a few years ago and burned out around level 12?? but now I feel a lot more motivated to try learning Japanese again! がんばります！