Kaniwani Major Update: 1.3.4!

Glad I could help.
I should really start using that script as well tbh. It seemed a bit tricky when I first heard about it and didn’t really put any time into it.
I have it bookmarked and I’ll go over it soon, and then find some good lists to import… xD

Tadgh11 said...
jazzyy said... I get a Server Error (500) when I try to log into the server :( I tried clearing my cache and cookies as well.
Still occurring now? 
 Working now, thank you for the site and the updates!!!
Rablusep said... Any chance we'll get something sort of like Wanikani Self-Study Plus for Kaniwani eventually (ability to add words that Wanikani doesn't have)? I really enjoy the add-on for Wanikani but it pretty much only deals with recognition and not recall (which Kaniwani normally deals with) and I really don't like Anki that much. Thanks for all of the work though, I've been steadily using Kaniwani to practice recall and the new update especially looks great since it is finally possible to deal with the really similar words.
We do have plans to allow users to add their own custom vocab items, extending beyond the WK set but that probably won't be in for at least a few months (other features to finish first/work/life).

Patch 1.3…I LOVE YOU!!!

Subversity said...
Amenophyckxs said... I've said it before, and I will say it again. I absolutely love this site.
I have gotten used to a bunch of scripts on wanikani so there are a few things that I miss when I use kaniwani.
So I'd like to put in a feature request.
I've thought about asking in the original thread of the script I'm looking for, but it appears that the dev is no longer maintaining it and it's being maintained by Mempo (looks like he maintains a lot of abandoned scripts).
The script I'm looking for is called anki mode. 
It basically emulates anki, which allows you to press "space" to show the answer, and if you knew the answer you press "1", and if you didn't know the answer, you press"2".
This speeds up the review process a lot, and seeing as I now review on wanikani AND on kaniwani, it takes up a good chunk of my time.
I'm on 500+ reviews now on kaniwani, so this feature would be really nice. (I get if this is not planned, or possible, just thought I would try my luck)

Mempo's updated version of the script can be found here:
https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/15950-wanikani-anki-mode

The original script can be found here:
/t/Userscript-Wanikani-Anki-Mode/8399
(outdated link, use Mempo's link above)

Now I'm not all that tech savvy, so I'm not sure if it's easier for you to implement a feature like this using the script's code, or if it is easier for a dev of a script to add your website to the list of sites it runs on.
Anyway, please let me know your thoughts. (I might post a similar request in the other script thread if it turns out I should ask there instead :P)

Thanks again for the hard work!
So basically a kind of speed mode, that ignores letter/character input and marks the questions as correct/incorrect based on pressing "1" or "2"?

It would be possible to implement and have a settings toggle - though I'd want to see multiple people interested in this first before goind ahead with it.

I'm a firm believer in entering the answer manually these days - I used to use Anki with 5000+ items active in rotation and found it too easy to forge ahead without properly taking time to consider each item. We've found that having to type in the answer really forces proper consideration and recall.
 Wrote this real quick for Amenophyckxs.

/t/Userscript-Kaniwani-Anki-Mode/12557/1


It just binds some hotkeys (SPACE, 1,2) but none of those are needed to answer in hiragana, so no harm ;p

So technically you don't have to consider implementing it any more. However, a native solution would of course be better and potentially reach a lot more people. But only do that if it aligns with KW's philosophy.


Mempo said... Wrote this real quick for Amenophyckxs.

/t/Userscript-Kaniwani-Anki-Mode/12557/1


It just binds some hotkeys (SPACE, 1,2) but none of those are needed to answer in hiragana, so no harm ;p

So technically you don't have to consider implementing it any more. However, a native solution would of course be better and potentially reach a lot more people. But only do that if it aligns with KW's philosophy.


 For me *Blush*

Man, I can't thank you enough. 
If you use tantei to spy on my forum posts and find the ones about scripts,  I think you will find that you solved all my script issues/requests.

<3

Just started using it myself, and it’s phenomenal. Glad this exists

hey, KW has changed so much in aesthetics since the last time i used it!

It’s getting pretty hard to keep up when you have WK to do religiously. 
I’ve you’ve added review only burned items on WK. that’s pretty good, but given that it’ll probably take 6 months before burning, 
any chance considering adding more options like “review only enlightened items”  etc ?

(i’ve looked into this post, and couldn;t see any post of similar question apart from burned items. maybe i had a boy look, apologise if it did. it would be much easier if you can search words inside a specific forum topic, instead of the whole forum board…)

wan said...I've you've added review only burned items on WK. that's pretty good, but given that it'll probably take 6 months before burning, 
any chance considering adding more options like "review only enlightened items"  etc ?
I think for now you'll have to stick with restricting yourself by locking higher levels for a while.

If you start studying WK enlightened items on KW, when they come up on WK you'll just burn them without any effort as if the srs hadn't delayed them since you've been seeing them often recently on KW. I'm not really fond of messing with the whole point of the WK srs.

Tadgh might be happy to implement restrictions by different WK srs levels, but I remember discussing it and we decided on WK burned only rather than any srs level. There has to be a limit somewhere to customisation! We saw this option more like "Review items on KW after you've finished with them on WK" as opposed to "Review by specific srs".

Ideally, most people should be using this for reviewing WK burned only - so you get 4-5 months of learning to read on WK, and then 4-5 months of forcing recall (and reading the correct answer / entering IME kanji) with KW. I don't believe that studying the same items on WK and KW at the same time has particular benefit, the delay is the important factor. Of course, that's just my view, so all your WK items are available to study if you want.

TL:DR; probably won't be adding more srs review level options, sorry!
Subversity said...
I don't believe that studying the same items on WK and KW at the same time has particular benefit, the delay is the important factor. 
I'm guessing this is intended to those that are doing burned items only?
If not, I've been using KW wrong. xD
I try to do my reviews daily cause they pile up too much if I don't, and I do them on WK and on KW, so I get a lot of the same items.
It does help me remember stuff better on WK if I did have a recall on KW earlier so it helps me in that way.  
I am only level 8 so I can still improve my study methods and unlearn some bad habits I picked up along the way, so if you think there is a better way of doing the reviews, please clarify as it will probably help me along the way.

Thanks =)
Subversity said...
wan said...I've you've added review only burned items on WK. that's pretty good, but given that it'll probably take 6 months before burning, 
any chance considering adding more options like "review only enlightened items"  etc ?
I think for now you'll have to stick with restricting yourself by locking higher levels for a while.

If you start studying WK enlightened items on KW, when they come up on WK you'll just burn them without any effort as if the srs hadn't delayed them since you've been seeing them often recently on KW. I'm not really fond of messing with the whole point of the WK srs.

Tadgh might be happy to implement restrictions by different WK srs levels, but I remember discussing it and we decided on WK burned only rather than any srs level. There has to be a limit somewhere to customisation! We saw this option more like "Review items on KW after you've finished with them on WK" as opposed to "Review by specific srs".

Ideally, most people should be using this for reviewing WK burned only - so you get 4-5 months of learning to read on WK, and then 4-5 months of forcing recall (and reading the correct answer / entering IME kanji) with KW. I don't believe that studying the same items on WK and KW at the same time has particular benefit, the delay is the important factor. Of course, that's just my view, so all your WK items are available to study if you want.

TL:DR; probably won't be adding more srs review level options, sorry!
 Actually you're right! I didn't think about it that way. Already at level 11, i get the occasional one or two master level vocabs or kanjis wrong. doing enlightened on KW will indeed mess up the SRS system for WK. 

I'll wait for when i start burning items then!
Amenophyckxs said...
Subversity said...
I don't believe that studying the same items on WK and KW at the same time has particular benefit, the delay is the important factor. 
I'm guessing this is intended to those that are doing burned items only?

If you're doing burned only, then you're not studying on both WK and KW, since the items are no longer reviewed on WK.

I'm level 23 on WK, with more than enough reviews to keep me busy/interested (I tend to unlock a level every 8-10 days).
I only have 140 items available on KW (my WK burned items) at the moment, with new items slowly trickling in now (2000 or so at enlightened on WK).

By the time the WK items are burned, I'm confident I can recognise (read the vocab) since that's been studied so much.
Though I can only instantly think of the word for maybe half or 2/3 of the vocab - and that's where KW is useful to completely train your concept/vocab recall.

There's nothing stopping you from studying both at the same time, but you'll be seeing the items twice as often as your WK review thinks you are seeing them. That might be good for you, though probably not. Also, by the time you burn on WK you'll probably burn on KW so that is ~six months of study and then nothing.

Whereas if you study burned only, then it's maybe 12 months of reinforcement.

Personally I would like a second burned srs level (scorched? seared?) (and at some point I'll talk to Tadgh about adding it), where you see the item 8 months after reaching burn level 1 - if you get it right then it's fully burned/no more reviews - if wrong then it's another 8 months :P. 

I don't see KW as a race since there's no new levels to unlock if you do well on your reviews! 
The long tail of reviews should go on for as long as necessary to ensure the items are in your long term memory. I'd prefer 12months of WK + KW for 1 vocab item, instead of 6months of WK + KW (at same time) for 1 vocab item.


Subversity said...
Amenophyckxs said...
Subversity said...
I don't believe that studying the same items on WK and KW at the same time has particular benefit, the delay is the important factor. 
I'm guessing this is intended to those that are doing burned items only?

If you're doing burned only, then you're not studying on both WK and KW, since the items are no longer reviewed on WK.

I'm level 23 on WK, with more than enough reviews to keep me busy/interested (I tend to unlock a level every 8-10 days).
I only have 140 items available on KW (my WK burned items) at the moment, with new items slowly trickling in now (2000 or so at enlightened on WK).

By the time the WK items are burned, I'm confident I can recognise (read the vocab) since that's been studied so much.
Though I can only instantly think of the word for maybe half or 2/3 of the vocab - and that's where KW is useful to completely train your concept/vocab recall.

There's nothing stopping you from studying both at the same time, but you'll be seeing the items twice as often as your WK review thinks you are seeing them. That might be good for you, though probably not. Also, by the time you burn on WK you'll probably burn on KW so that is ~six months of study and then nothing.

Whereas if you study burned only, then it's maybe 12 months of reinforcement.

Personally I would like a second burned srs level (scorched? seared?) (and at some point I'll talk to Tadgh about adding it), where you see the item 8 months after reaching burn level 1 - if you get it right then it's fully burned/no more reviews - if wrong then it's another 8 months :P. 

I don't see KW as a race since there's no new levels to unlock if you do well on your reviews! 
The long tail of reviews should go on for as long as necessary to ensure the items are in your long term memory. I'd prefer 12months of WK + KW for 1 vocab item, instead of 6months of WK + KW (at same time) for 1 vocab item.


That makes a lot of sense. Thank you for elaborating. =)
 
Amenophyckxs said...
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I don't see KW as a race since there's no new levels to unlock if you do well on your reviews! 
The long tail of reviews should go on for as long as necessary to ensure the items are in your long term memory. I'd prefer 12months of WK + KW for 1 vocab item, instead of 6months of WK + KW (at same time) for 1 vocab item.


That makes a lot of sense. Thank you for elaborating. =)
 
Just my thoughts on the matter though, who knows.
Logically it seems more sensible to separate the two srs timings (full WK then full KW), but that may not be the truth of the matter :P
It's possible that both at once or slightly delayed (start KW when item is at WK enlightened?) is a successful combo.

I've settled on the simplest, least interfering option as likely to be the most effective long-term strategy (in my opinion/experience). 
Knowing 2x items in a year is less important than knowing 1x items for years.

And... since we intend to add / allow users to add more vocab to KW, I intend to use it for years (and continue making it better slowly over time).

Could you maybe round the time for review to nearest half of an hour instead of items unlocking every minute? It would be so nice that way.

How come I didn’t know this existed? This is so awesome! Congratulations!

tomt610 said... Could you maybe round the time for review to nearest half of an hour instead of items unlocking every minute? It would be so nice that way.
 Not sure I quite understand.

If you're waiting for a review, it'll update the countdown on the homepage so you have an accurate idea of when your next review is.
If you're doing reviews, nothing will update (no new items added to review queue) until you finish the review (and redirect to summary page) or you manually navigate away (to homepage etc).

What do you mean by "items unlocking every minute"?
Subversity said...
tomt610 said... Could you maybe round the time for review to nearest half of an hour instead of items unlocking every minute? It would be so nice that way.
 Not sure I quite understand.

If you're waiting for a review, it'll update the countdown on the homepage so you have an accurate idea of when your next review is.
If you're doing reviews, nothing will update (no new items added to review queue) until you finish the review (and redirect to summary page) or you manually navigate away (to homepage etc).

What do you mean by "items unlocking every minute"?
 When you review items they are put into queue with precision up to the second when it should appear again. Wanikani is doing this precision up to next half of an hour. The problem with kaniwani is that when you see that you have 7 reviews you click review, finish them, come back and see further 8, and then it continues for a while. If it was rounded to closest half an hour it would be much better!
Additionally counters of how much reviews are coming in next hour and day would be cool too.
I am pretty sure that developers know what I am talking about so don't worry.
tomt610 said...I am pretty sure that developers know what I am talking about so don't worry.
Subversity is one of the devs...
I guess you're saying you want reviews to come in batches each half hour. On WK you see next review at 8:00, or next review at 8:30, or 9:00, etc... Instead of at 8:03 there's one and at 8:06 there's another?

tomt610 said...
Subversity said...
tomt610 said... Could you maybe round the time for review to nearest half of an hour instead of items unlocking every minute? It would be so nice that way.
 Not sure I quite understand.

If you're waiting for a review, it'll update the countdown on the homepage so you have an accurate idea of when your next review is.
If you're doing reviews, nothing will update (no new items added to review queue) until you finish the review (and redirect to summary page) or you manually navigate away (to homepage etc).

What do you mean by "items unlocking every minute"?
 When you review items they are put into queue with precision up to the second when it should appear again. Wanikani is doing this precision up to next half of an hour. The problem with kaniwani is that when you see that you have 7 reviews you click review, finish them, come back and see further 8, and then it continues for a while. If it was rounded to closest half an hour it would be much better!
Additionally counters of how much reviews are coming in next hour and day would be cool too.
I am pretty sure that developers know what I am talking about so don't worry.
Understood. I don't really notice chained reviews like that, over time they'll tend to cluster together - unless you're constantly doing reviews the moment they reappear.  You're a keen bean :P

We could batch them like that, though it's only protecting you from perception. IE, you can do your 7 reviews, complete and see the next 8 and decide to come back in 30mins to do your next review. Which would be the same as doing your 7, seeing 0 and 30mins later getting 8 (or 20 or whatever) reviews. 

It does fall under UX though, reducing cognitive load / frustration at seeing x new reviews every time you finish a review. So I see where you're coming from, I just haven't experienced it. Though I only really do KW once a day.

I'll add batching and review counters to our todo list.