I use Microsoft IME to type Japanese. Is there an option somewhere or an alternate input method to address the following issue?
When i type long vowels using the う, for example しょう、びょう、しゃう、etc, I have to type Shou (or Syou), Byou, Shau respectively. My issue with that is that, over time, it fools me into thinking there are OU sounds there. I know there aren’t, but typing the U so much still has a real effect on how I think of those sounds. Is there a way to produce the う by repeating the previous vowel without interfering with other usages? Ideally, I’d want to type Shoo, Byoo, Shaa for these.
The official readings of kanji that use these elongations is with う so, no, you couldn’t do it any other way.
The sounds are there, though, I think. Often when Japanese emphasise or otherwise exaggerate the words you will hear it quite clearly. You can sometimes hear them quite clearly in songs, too.
There are some words that actually do have the お elongation, though, like 大きい、氷、通す. In those cases, even though the pronunciation is pretty much the same, you have to use お.
This one definitely is not a vowel elongation. When following an a-sound You definitely do need to pronounce the う as an う. う only acts as a vowel elongation of u- and o-sounds. For e-sounds you use え or い.
What do you mean by this exactly? Do you say お and う separately, or do you say a different sound entirely, like ou in sound, for example?
Dutch people learning Japanese seem to have trouble with えい starting out, since ei has a specific pronunciation in Dutch. So it ends up sounding like that one instead. But it usually just takes a some correction and selfcorrection to get rid of the mistake.
Not sure I agree, since I have a vague memory echoing in the back of my head, of my friend talking and pronouncing the う very clearly, but not specifically talking about the word in question. Buti don’t really remember the exact word she was saying, just the feeling of it, if that makes sense? Needless to say, I do not have a recording.
I’m surprised you haven’t seen any of the other knock down-drag out fights we’ve had about it. Officially the う is just a spelling convention. It’s how the elongated vowel is spelled for things originating from Chinese.
If some people have started to say it because of seeing the spelling, that’s a different thing.
I don’t think what you said about precise speech/songs is correct. おう is just the convention for spelling ō on most words. It’s a quirk that the spelling reform left in, that they could have taken out. In songs, I’ve only heard おう be sung as お・お.