Feeling demotivated with Japanese

First, I want to apologize for adding to the countless posts about feeling demotivated with Japanese, but I really need some advice about my situation—or at least to know if anyone else has felt the same way.

This isn’t the full depth of everything, but I’ve tried to give you context.

I’ve been living in Tokyo since last January and currently attend an N2-level review class. While I can understand a fair amount of what’s taught in class, I struggle with confidence and feel uncomfortable speaking or participating. I recognize the progress I’ve made over the past year, including taking the N2 exam twice (though I likely didn’t pass either time).

That said, my current focus is on finding a full-time job, which has been a soul-draining, demoralizing process. I’ve even considered going back to school because of how tough this search has been.

I know improving my Japanese, especially my speaking skills, could help with job opportunities. But honestly, I feel so unmotivated. To make things worse, I don’t have much money to go out and meet people, which limits my opportunities to practice and build confidence.

What really hit hard was a group interview I had for a part-time job recently. I was paired with a half-Japanese woman and a native Chinese speaker whose Japanese was incredibly fluent. Meanwhile, I found myself fumbling at an N4/N3 level and, unsurprisingly, didn’t get the job.

Speaking is by far my weakest area—it’s absolutely terrible. I can understand a lot of everyday conversations and sentences, but when it comes to responding, I freeze. Even having a Japanese girlfriend hasn’t helped much in this regard.

I know some people might think, “You’re just lazy,” and honestly, they might be right. I’ve lost all motivation for Anki, and grammar feels like my kryptonite. I’ll study grammar every day using Shin Kanzen Master, but then I won’t encounter it in real life and forget it within two weeks. Im tired of grammar.

I get it—improving requires consistent effort, speaking practice, and perseverance. But it’s frustrating to understand so much input while feeling completely incapable of turning it into output. I really wish there were another way to get better at this.

I miss the spark I had when I was learning Korean. Back then, I was so motivated—probably because I didn’t have as many responsibilities, and I was eager to go out, meet people, and immerse myself during my school days.

Deep down, I really do want to improve my Japanese. But right now, I’m unsure how to reignite that passion. Have any of you been in a similar situation? Should I take a step back and focus on enjoying anime or books again, even though I know that won’t help much with speaking?

I feel lost—like I have a goal but no clear idea how to reach it or how to make the process enjoyable again.

This community has been such a source of support for me during tough times, and I really appreciate all of you. If anyone has tips, experiences, or even criticisms, I’m open to hearing them. How do you stay motivated, or how did you overcome a slump like this?

I desperately wanna be more conversationally fluent but feel so far away from that goal.

Thank you all so much.

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I don’t know if this would help, but here’s a good language exchange discord server:

It has voice channels too.
Anyway, the point is – you don’t need money to be able to talk with native speakers. I hope this would help reignite your motivation for Japanese!

Best of luck with your studies! wricat

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You know, I have never really thought about this or considered it. Maybe it’s time I put more weight on it. Thank you. I’ll join and see how I like it.

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Well, I’ll keep what I have to say short.

The good news is that the thing that improved my speaking the most (imo) didn’t require going out and meeting people and you can do it alone on a computer.

The bad news is that I honestly did not like doing it at all and just had to make myself do it. It was nothing but work and I just had to rely on my discipline to get me to do it.

Anyways, what I did was just type a bunch of output about random things I could see myself talking about into a google doc and read it back over (preferably out loud). There would inevitably be lots of times where I didn’t know how to say something. I would sit there and think about how I could use the japanese I do know to express what I want (or something close to it) or look up a phrase if I had one on the tip of my tongue. My personal rule was I wouldn’t learn any new japanese from looking it up (which was easier for me because I was at a higher level when I started). Rather, the point was to just get better at using the japanese I was already familiar with.

The idea is that you express yourself on topics you need to express yourself in. Use the same patterns over and over. The hardest time to express thought XYZ is the first time you ever try to express it. So don’t have that be in a conversation where theres a time limit of 2 seconds before things get awkward. If when it comes up in conversation you’ve said a thought 3 times in the past in your diary, saying it for the 4th time is going to be a lot easier than saying it for the first time. Boring as shit just typing in a diary and getting stuck on every sentence but I improved a metric fuck ton doing it. If you have a girlfriend who can help you with questions, even better.

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Outside of the Japanese stuff, I wonder how much of this is also a manifestation of the job search and other difficulties (I presume you are an expat of some description, so you might be hitting the culture shock/culture numbness that kicks in, combined with the communication difficulty frustration etc). It could do you some good to have a break from that aspect if that’s a thing that’s possible – even a short vacation can provide a mental reset and let you orientate yourself.

I would probably not drop into an input-only study pattern if what you want is to practice your output. I can’t really give great advice on practicing output, since my output is shit, but I would definitely focus on trying to internalise a lot of natural patterns and responses so that sort of stuff doesn’t take as much effort, and go from there in a fairly controlled way.

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I can really vouch for this. I’m at N4 progressing into N3, outputting to myself has helped me gain a lot of confidence in expressing myself. I made my own discord server just for me, where I essentially roleplay conversations or write a diary lol. I also talk to myself quite a lot.

I suggest inviting people over for dinner, coffe, gaming, or just hanging out etc if you’re comfortable with that. Instead of going out and spending too much money.
Trunklayer’s suggestion for joining a discord server seems really great as well :smiley:

It might also be a question of burnout. You seem to be overwhelmed by life right now, so it’s not weird at all to feel like you do imo. So like you said, taking a step back and just enjoying the language might be what is needed right now.

Good luck and be kind to yourself! If you already understand daily conversations, then it’s only a matter of time before you can output that as well, hang in there! :slight_smile:

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Are there any cheap government- sponsored community colleges teaching immigrants Japanese near where you live? Group classes -taught fully in Japanese where you are forced to speak in Japanese with other people like you learning Japanese while being overseen by a professional JSL teacher - are a great way to gain confidence. They will provide you with a new social group & give some structure to your life while you look for work.

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My speaking was terrible even after a few years of studying (and passing N3 with full marks on reading), because I hadn’t been using it and didn’t know how to start.

I used italki and luckily the second teacher I used was someone I really got on with. Obviously that does involve money, but you might find a similar opportunity on Discord. We usually just chat about things I’m doing, my work, things I’m interested in, and she corrects me or tells me a better way to phrase things, but it’s basically just conversation.

Edit: and I forgot to say it’s made a huge difference! I’m not fluent but I can chat about a range of things in Japanese.

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i just chat a lot with myself and with the televison. :rofl:

or singing japanese songs. i have the feeling it at least helps with some 発音

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You know I never thought about that. I never realized how much a TV helps sometimes. I haven’t had one my whole time here in Japan haha

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I want to give you a huge thank you and the others first and foremost. I feel loads better reading all of this.
I will consider doing this. I like the idea, and maybe, just maybe, it will help me get that little confidence boost and not bumble about in a conversation as much. Really your message has been a really nice read and a boost in mentality.

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@Citrusy @Jintor @Vanilla @trunklayer @Cathm2 @Lisaveeta I want to give you all a huge thank you and any others I might have missed. I feel loads better reading all of this from you all. I’m feeling a little emotional, thanks to you guys.

The support from the community is unreal!! I wish you all the best, seriously!!! Thank you for taking time out of your days to respond to my vent. I feel somewhat at ease now.

I do agree maybe the position I’m in is overwhelming me. I’ll consider these suggestions and hope that, in time, things change for the better. Hoping Ill improve with these ideas and be kind to myself.

Thank you again.

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I’m glad it took some of the load off your shoulders! You got this :fire:
Another thing I thought about just now is creating a study log ^^
On one hand it might be an additional stress factor to continuously update it. But it’s a great tool for consistency, community help and feeling a bit less lonely in the journey lol. And it’s very satisfying to see concrete progress!

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How about working for some association like local charities and stuff like that , you will end up speaking with a lot of person without having to spend anything? Just a thought…

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I know many people here are suggesting online ways to meet people to talk to in Japanese, but since you are physically in Japan I would really recommend finding people to talk to in person, especially someone who lives nearby you or who is also learning Japanese. @Lisaveeta’s idea would work great for finding people for this. The fastest way I found to improve in speaking was talking to people about whatever happened that day, for every day that I could, which will help you get comfortable in using common conversational phrases. This will go slowly initially and feel painful, but it will get better over time! It is easy to get stuck when trying to speak because you are trying to plan out the entire sentence in your head, but most sentences you say will use similar structures and if you memorize those, saying anything takes less cognitive effort.

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My 2 cents would be:
Taking a stepback from learning japanese (intensively) by doing stuff outside it like reading,writing, watching anime or movies (but not too hard) or completely step away from learning japanese for a while.
I had to take breaks(year long) due to responsibilities and I’m currently in a break right now.And I can’t wait to get back to studying japanese. Soooooo, Maybe a break could help reignite the passion you may have lost along the journey.

If you are interested in any other hobby or anything that might be interesting to you at all, You could watch it on youtube (in japanese if you want) and apply it.

Grammar: Most of the grammer or atleast the ones I have learnt from N2 onwards are mostly found in written media, It’s hard to find them in videos or movies. Reading Novels or Light novels or harder manga’s may help. Join Intermediate book club maybe :roll_eyes:.

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I’ve been putting off doing this for about a year now, mostly by conveniently forgetting about it. Your post has pushed me over the edge in to action though so I’ll put aside half an hour or so this Sat & Sun as a start.

Now I just need to OK the Japanese girlfriend part with my wife and I’ll be all set…

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Have you tried talking to yourself? When I was trying to get better in english, I tried to express my internal thoughts in english. At first, I had to look up how to say many things but I got better at it.

The great thing about this is you can afford to stop mid sentence and look something up. You cannot do that when talking to people. In my experience, when talking to people, your mind switches to simple descriptive language. You need to push yourself to really put together the sentence you want to say. Imagine yourself doing an interview, or imagine how would you describe what are you doing, etc.

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Completely understand. I don’t know what sort of work you’re in, but there are usually openings for people with at least conversational Japanese. Check the Gaijinpot website if you’re not already familiar with it.
As for Japanese study, take a break and find some Japanese friends who share your interests. You’ll still be learning some Japanese from them, just not in a structured way. It will also help your conversation skills. The only Japanese qualification I have is the old N4. I’ve failed N3 and the new N4, but I have still survived in Japan for 20 years. I can’t do a business meeting, but I can interact with colleagues, kids, and get the things done that I need to. Example, I’m taking my car into dealer’s next week to get some engine repairs done, and on Saturday picking up a couple of suits that needed altering. So don’t worry about studying so much and think about finding something that will let you survive. Even if it’s just teaching kids English, you’ll be earning. And if you’re looking at N2 Japanese you probably just need more time using what you know in a natural environment. If I can survive in Japan with my level of the language, I’m pretty sure you can. がんばって‼️

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Japanese girlfriend is good. Japanese wife is bad.

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