Feedback after a month

Just to return tit for tat with you, if it was fully customization, I would stop using it because I’d be too frustrated with all of the options. I wouldn’t trust myself to customize it in a way that would benefit my learning rather than cheapen it, like finding ways to advance through the levels before I’m ready.

Pay for a month and see what happens once you’re at level 5,6. I don’t think you’ll be disappointed.

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It wasn’t clear to me that any aspect of the site was something you regarded positively. It being useless and all.

One final thought… I don’t know about anyone else, but I came here because WK was going to expose me to the kanji I didn’t get enough exposure to. If something is coming up often enough that you learn it through osmosis, then you don’t really need SRS for that item in the first place.

But maybe that’s just me.

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nope, not only you.

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Exactly. Last I knew, you couldn’t speak a language with the handful of words you cherry picked to learn.

If I knew the words I wouldn’t need it, I said I was exposed to them. That’s different from knowing them. 吸血鬼 for example- I know the word to look at but don’t know the kanji individually, and I see them all elsewhere so I would learn them quickly once I get started. I don’t know why it’s so hard to understand why being able to learn that way could be beneficial. I mean, using the order chosen by someone else I don’t learn what I need to now, it’s only beneficial in the long term but if I learn them in the order that works for me then I get immediate and long term benefit. I’m also hardly skipping anything, I will want/need to learn every word eventually just in a different order.
And customisation would hardly be mandatory. The system would remain how it works for the majority, there would just be an extra option for those who are struggling with it.

Here is my (very light) take after also a month and ten days using Wanikani. :smile:

You know how we all wanted learn Japanese at some point in our life :wink:, well I had that too. I have been learning (or try to learn) Japanese for the last 5 years, or even more. I love reading manga, anime, shokushu he… I mean, you get the gist.

The thing is, nothing I ever tried worked. You see, I went to class where they teach you on these printed Minna No Nihongo back in Vietnam, I went to university where every material was given was designed specifically for the purpose of learning Japanese, I :pirate_flag: pirated books trying to learn. Nope, none of them actually sticked.

About a year ago I found Wanikani, and actually thought that this is bullshit. I got to level 3, and did really think that I’ll never touch them again.

That is, until 40 days ago, I go to the forum and see how successful people are with WaniKani. Seeing the 60s bragging about the cakes really inspired me. People talking about knowing 2000 kanji. People talking about playing FF IX in Japanese and understand all of them. I mean, these people can do it, so can I, right? So what do they differ from me 40 days ago? They put their effort into it. I realized, that no matter what I do, Wanikani, Genki, Ibami, whatever, if I don’t put the effort to it, I won’t ever be as good as them.

To be fluent in a language, just knowing only the words you need is nowhere enough. It’s knowing alllll of them. And 2000 kanjis is not even allll of them yet. And how do you know what words you will be needing? Fact, you will be needing allllll of them.

The purpose of Wanikani is not to teach you Japanese from the ground up. It’s textbook job. Knowing how to greet people, to bargaining with a seller, etc. is not the purpose of Wanikani. Wanikani is here to teach you 2000 kanji, and that’s it. And it worked for all the 60s people. Look at them reading manga and stuff, I’m soo jealous.

Sorry for my incoherent rant, but you get the point.

TLDR: Put your effort somewhere, and you will be rewarded. Wanikani purpose is to teach 2000 kanji, not a textbook.

Edit: I recently saw a kanji on my wife’s Japanese make up bottle, and realized that i can read the whole sentences (Saying that’s it made from melatonin and stuff), I was soooo happy. :smile:

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I believe once you have learned enough to function effectively that perhaps you could comment on what works best for you. I tend to never trust myself when it comes to forming opinions inspired by perceived learning blocks…I just accept that pain/sacrifice is how we humans learn.

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Many people have asked for the ability to add words, and it’s conceivable that they could add that some day, but the whole concept of WK is based on building from scratch. That’s where the radicals come in as well. 吸血鬼 is on WK, you just haven’t learned the component parts yet. You want to jump to it.

Allowing people to jump to any part they want doesn’t jive with building knowledge from scratch.

I came to WK when I already knew about 500 kanji, and I stuck through all that beginner’s content to get to the completely new stuff. It worked out fine.

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At the moment I’m diving into Mango and Transparent Languages. Mango is conversational, something I really don’t need so will take slow- but it goes slow teaching each word in the sentence before dumping it on you which is a nice change from other similar courses.

Transparent has an option to learn words only which is great for me too. Again even though they have a large number of sections (numbers, animals, colors, verbs, etc. etc.) ultimately they are limited in what they teach there but for now it is really helping me build a solid basic vocabulary.

I’ve also tried heaps of other stuff and don’t really stop using any of it, just end up spending varying amounts of time on some or stopping for a while and going back to them later.

The words I really want to learn that aren’t on any lesson anywhere I put up on posters and learn them by reading them throughout the day.

Not really sure how notes work tbh. I don’t have any trouble at all learning the meaning of the kanji or recognising the radicals. I just have trouble with one of the ON or KUN as a rule, for some they just don’t stick at all so that holds everything up- because I can’t learn new stuff while I’m still failing on half a dozen of the old ones.

It is ultimately useless but in the end I just got stuck on half a dozen kanji, then others popped up from several days before that I should have learned but had forgotten while struggling to learn the others. I am relaying here why I can’t use it enough to make it worth me spending what little cash I have on it. It has helped me learn a lot of new Kanji though and a lot of ON/KUN for kanji that I already knew. I wouldn’t be bothering with feedback or asking for customisation if it was useless altogether.

I see, I see. The on’yomi and kun’yomi can be a little difficult to keep up with. I have used the “add your own note,” for this specific reason. I like to make a story in my head that keeps the information in on/kun order so I can walk myself through it when I have to summon the knowledge. If you haven’t noticed it before, it is always beneath the original notation you read first.

I actually enjoy the challenge because I love being able to know how to pronounce characters in their respective formats, it’s kind of fascinating, lol. I guess you just gotta make yourself love it. ^^’

I am pretty much living and breathing Japanese at the moment. lol I have the time and motivation to do it, but that has to be focused where it will work best for me.

Glad to know I’m not alone in wanting this customisation. :stuck_out_tongue:

I’ve already said I don’t need/use the radicals at all for kanji recognition now, and would honestly prefer not to need to. I see each kanji as a whole and when I need to take notice of the finer points to differentiate one similar kanji from another what works for someone else I rarely relate to - or haven’t so far. So losing that part of wanikani would be no loss to me at all.

I only knew somewhere between 100-200? when I started here. I could recognise more but didn’t really know them well. So although a lot of the first two levels were easy for me it still helped me solidify those in my memory so going over old stuff was never really an issue.

Glad it worked for you. :slight_smile:

You’re asking for something else though. The proposal I mentioned is about being able to add words that you’ve already done the kanji lessons for that don’t appear at all on WK. As far as I can tell you haven’t really expressed any interest in that.

So like after someone does the lesson for 強, they could add 強いる, a word that never appears on WK.

But jumping to 強い before you study 強 wouldn’t be possible.

Neither would jumping to 強 before learning the radicals.

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Oh I do love it. :slight_smile: For the words that have meaning for me right now. I want to learn all the words, just in an order that keeps the frustration to a minimum and the joy of learning at it’s highest.

Oh I see. But wanikani I believe does not claim to try and teach you all the words I think? Just all the most common kanji. I’m not asking to be taught words, just the kanji that make them up in the order that works for me. I see the word and I’m inspired to go learn the kanji, and my memory can only hold so much new information. Those words that inspire me have to be in the mix to keep me going.

I get the impression (from my very short time of being here) that people who have had similar issues as you tend to be people who already have some kanji knowledge and already have an idea in their head of what they want to learn, then get frustrated when WaniKani does things in a different way.

I’ve been here about a month also, but I had pretty much no kanji knowledge prior to going in (I think I knew a handful, but had no understanding of the different readings etc.) and I feel like WaniKani is perfect for someone like me. The order in which you learn the kanji is based on its complexity (in terms of its appearance) rather than how frequently you will come across it which might be why you are experiencing the problems that you are.

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Well, they aim to teach the kanji yeah, and since 強いる isn’t on WK I’m guessing the average user can’t read that word even if they did all the 強 lessons, because it’s a unique reading. So it’s a gap in the teaching of that kanji.

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Well, good luck on your quest and remember that passion. Try not to limit yourself by using language like, “can’t,” and, “always,” ect. You are smarter than you know. ^^

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Yeah for that reason I’ve recommended it to my son for when he starts learning kanji. I think he will be able to get more out of it than me if he decides to use it.

I think you’re confusing WK for Anki or any other flashcard application. If you want to learn the kanji that matter to you, then just add them to an Anki deck and you’re done, without paying a single dollar. Simple as that. No need to change WK, thanks.

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Man, as a H-manga translator I was glad this was one of the first words I learned.
Though it can sometimes be a bit annoying, at the end of the day I’m relatively happy WK teaches such a wide range of vocabulary, even technical or obscure terms you’d never see in a basic bitch example japanese sentences book or similar. There are so many topics and fields covered during the WK journey, you feel so rewarded when you don’t have to open a dictionary for 電子力 or 衆議院 or whatever.

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Don’t mind me, I’m just so happy I can read 電子力 without even try. All thanks to Wanikani.

Edit: So it’s electric force and not electron power. What’s the different between 電子力 and 電力?

Edit 2: @lamarozzo, nice profile picture :wink:

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