Descent of the Durtle into eGoooott - NOW AT B8!

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I didn’t know there was so much fire in Durtle Heaven…wait, are we in the right place? :turtle: :fire: :smiling_imp:

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We’re not deep enough if we can still see the sky

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The actual hint on the page did in no way whatsoever actually use the word shift(the hint phrased it as “changing things around”), that was from a hint koichi gave much later. In other words, it’s probably also worth considering things that may relate to similar words to the one actually used, and not just the exact words used.

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Peanut Butter and Durtle Sandwich

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I’m interested in the fact that most of these kanji seem to have gone through various mutations over time… I wonder if looking at the etymology is a good idea? Convert it into its root or something?

There was a website I found earlier called genetic kanji or something that did something like that

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That’s probably true of all kanji, though.

My apologies, I misremembered, it was a synonym then, change - shift.

The past few days have been all such a blur

Tru dat :slight_smile:

Not saying it’s anything unique, but just the hint focuses in time and different forms a lot

Data dump from WWWJDIC: (I don’t know how recent the data is, esp. frequency)

Attribute
JIS code (JIS X 0208) 4F3B 3235 3563 3625 4C74
Kuten code 47-27 18-21 21-67 22-5 44-84
Shift-JIS code 985a 89b3 8b83 8ba3 96f2
Unicode 516d 4e59 6ce3 7af6 85ac
Bushu (radical no.) 8 5 85 117 140
Traditional radical 12
Grade 1 8 4 4 3
Stroke Count 4 1 8 20 16
Frequency ranking 93 1841 1380 610 702
JLPT Level 4 1 2 2 3
Classic Nelson 283 260 2532 3364 4074
New Nelson 371 56 3104 4244 5224
Halpern NJECD Index 1965 3339 338 1847 2375
Halpern Kodansha Kanji Dictionary Index 2461 4145 396 2322 3011
Halpern KLD Index 1244 2104 253 1200 1539
Halpern KLD (2nd edition) Index 1710 2849 300 1639 2100
Heisig index 6 71 432 434 1736
Heisig index (6th Ed.) 6 75 463 465 1873
Gakken index 20 1713 1192 609 541
O’Neill (Japanese Names) index 61 2 590 2927 2568
O’Neill’s Essential Kanji Index 8 1339 1049 464 323
Morohashi index 1453 161 17309 25831 32188PX
Morohashi vol.page 2.0045 1.0354 6.1064 8.728 9.0964
Henshall index 76 1041 838 463 398
Spahn & Hadamitzky’s Kana & Kanji index 8 983 1236 852 359
Spahn & Hadamitzky’s Kana & Kanji (2011 ed.) index 8 1017 1300 871 360
R&W Japanese 1st ed. (Sakade) Index 6 379 521
Japanese Kanji Flashcards, Series 1 (White Rabbit Press) 19 1030 678 789 247
R&W Japanese 3rd ed. (Henshall) Index 6 479 487 420
Tuttle kanji card 24 1007 500 640 439
Crowley Index 124
Kanji in Context Index 6 1908 252 1020 315
Japanese For Busy People Index 1.A 2.6
Kodansha Compact Kanji Guide Index 153 25 1171 1463 672
Maniette’s “Les Kanjis dans la tête” Index 6 71 439 441 1752
SKIP code 2/2/02 4/1/01 1/3/05 1/10/10 2/3/13
Spahn & Hadamitzky’s Kanji Dictionary descriptor 2j2.2 0a1.5 3a5.1 5b15.1 3k13.15
Four Corner code 80 1771 3011.8 21.6 4490.4
De Roo code 461 3556 373 457 1964
Pinyin reading(s) liu4 lu4 yi3 qi4 jing4 yao4
Korean reading(s) ryug eul eub gyeong yag
ON reading(s) ロク リク オツ イツ キュウ キョウ ケイ ヤク
KUN reading(s) む む.つ むっ.つ むい おと- きのと な.く きそ.う せ.る くら.べる くすり
Nanori reading(s) く むつ ろっ ろつ かい わたなべ
English meanings six the latter; duplicate; strange; witty; fishhook radical (no. 5) cry; weep; moan emulate; compete with; bid; sell at auction; bout; contest; race medicine; chemical; enamel; gunpowder; benefit
Mis-classification code SP4-2-1 PP2-10-10
Cross-reference code J0693B
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What’s with the Unicode for 乙? That’s a big number. :slightly_smiling_face:

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Bookmarked, thanks :slight_smile:

Excel artifact. It turned 4e59 into 4x1059. Fixed. Good eye.

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Had a feeling it was going to be something like that.

That JLPT level looks suspiciously like the old levels. 六 should be level 5 now, I’m pretty sure.

I’m going to put that table in the wiki so we can add on lines with any other comparable attributes (WK level, etc)

Yeah, using the source used for WK Stats, I’m getting:

六 N5
乙 N1
泣 N1 (higher than I would have thought)
競 N2
薬 N3

I don’t really think it’s relevant, though.

If you did want WaniKani levels:

六 2
乙 57
泣 15
競 11
薬 17

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The one that immediately stands out to me at this moment in time is the Classic Nelson, New Nelson index.

The only reasoning for this is because the hint mentions Caesar, another famous figure (it didn’t have to mention the previous puzzles or the previous solutions) and something being dated, since there’s a new one;

Oh. Hello there.
So, you figured out that simple Caeser Cipher?
I suppose Rome wasn’t built in a day, ha ha.
And the Shift JIS riddle?
Talk about dated!

However, I don’t know nearly enough about Nelson to confirm this. Can anyone else a bit more knowledgeable find any links in the clues?

Edit, also just noticing, the hint uses A LOT of famous sayings. Rome built in a day, talk about dated… I definitely think Yojijukugo is part of the solution

Maybe any wordplay solution depends on first ordering them ascending/descending by some attribute.

A lot of the WWWJDIC stuff is index numbers in a certain textbook. While a super-famous old one that’s become a de facto standard might be relevant, I’m not thinking we need information about ex. Japanese for Busy People.

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I’m going to bed now, good luck guys :slight_smile: I shan’t be on too much tomorrow as I’m back in work.

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Fun fact: This thread is the only result in all Google for “六乙泣競薬”.

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