This thread is for unscheduled miscellaneous discussion about anything related to Bungou Stray Dogs, with the exception of Wan!, which has its own book club.
The idea spawned from the talk about light novels, but manga conversation is also welcome.
Note: In case of Bungou Stray Dogs, manga is the backbone of the series and light novels act as an spin-off.
(But various manga spin-offs also exist.)
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YASSSSSSS
My light novel for the BEAST light novel should be arriving on the 21stā¦So long
Honestly Iām really excited. Akutagawa is one of my favourite characters and anytime someone is mean to him it breaks my heart. So the idea that he gets the chance to do the right thing for once just ;AAAAA;AAAAA;
(I donāt think any of that is spoilers since Iām going off of the book summary on the back of the bookā¦)
Itās good to know itās skippable, because I would probably dramatize otherwise about not understanding it properly
Well, it is a most busy shopping period of the year Iām trying to refrain from buying anything now. The only thing I still have in shipping is a plush Chuuya, because the release got delayed (was supposed to be out in November).
Iām rooting for your copy to arrive safely!
Unfortunately, I had to choose digital for Bungou Stray Dogs, because space. And well, with Japanese novels, I basically need to read them on Kindle for the time being, because dictionary. But also space. The books by original authors are already taking up a lot of room, and in this case, many of them donāt have an ebook version. Iām going for Polish translations if theyāre available and some of them are even oldies from '70s
My favorite character is Chuuya, as it might be already noticed from the fact Iāve bought him in a plush form. (And I also have a Chuuya-themed notebook and a pen )
And Kunikida I can understand, even if itās mainly because heās relatable, although nowadays Iām trying to purge this perfectionist part of me, because it never did me any good in life
But I wonder why Akutagawa. I realize heās a popular character, but I never understood his appeal. Do you mind sharing your view? And of course about Kunikida too, because your reasons may be completely different to mine.
They are probably waiting for more material and maybe current manga arcās end. There was a 3 year break between Season 2 and Season 3, so the waiting period isnāt unusual.
And there will be an anime adaptation of the Wan!'s spin-off in January, so I think the series is still supported and selling well.
Omg so Iāll start off by saying I love every single character. LMAO. So I also love Chuuya, he really do be best short boi ANd now I want plushies dang!!
Iām gonna spoiler it because thereās some potential spoilerās on Akutagawaās end.
Summary
K so I really like Kunikida for a few reasons. First off I just love his style because I lvoe anime bois with pony tails, or just anyone with long hair in general. It looks nice I also appreciate most of his āidealsā and how dedicated he is. I relate to him on a big level in that sense because I too am trying to keep to a schedule and be very serious about life (Although I donāt do it early as well as him because I have no self controlā¦ ;-;
Akutagawa is a precious cinnamon bunā¦A murderous cinnamon bun. But still a precious one.
Ok so this is potential spoilers for BEAST, one more warning.
Akutagawa is basically Atsushi, but didnāt get the care that Sushi (I see this nickname used for Atsushi in the fandom and Iām stealing it bc itās cute).
Akutagawa and Atsushi were both orphans who were abused. The only difference is that Aku was taken in by the Port Mafia, and treated extremely horribly by Dazai and everyone else. (Dazai was known for being very harsh and beating Aku if need be to get him to follow ordersā¦)
Atsushi was also turning down this path in the first episode. He had already decided to start stealing and doing whatever he needed to survive. If Dazai had found him and was still in the Port Mafia, Atsushi probably wouldāve been led down the same path. (Thatās the entire plot of BEAST.)
So it really breaks my heart, LMAO. Akutagawa is just a poor boy who had to learn to kill ad be bad to survive in the Mafia. And I really really wish he gets to join Dazai in the ADA sometime in the futureā¦although unlikely ;-;
Also I like his hair and his ability. LOL. The front of his hair kinda looks like fluffy dog ears which is very fittingā¦ And his shirt demon is kinda cute ngl looks kinda ć¢ćć¢ć I would love to pet it.
Honestly I think Iām just a sucker for characters that need a hug. Anytime any character is sad or alone Iām like NO I WILL PROTECT YOU NO I FEEL SO BAD PLS NO CRY \ /
I also love Yosano bc she is bae and you canāt convince me otherwise. Literally a goddess.
And Kenji because heās a smol bebbe and I must protect Why are they letting people that young work in a detective agency anyway lmao-
Sorry I can talk all day about my fandoms this was long
Honestly me @ both Mori, Poe, and and Fyodor.
First off Mori is just weird man ok heās into little girls for godās sake how do people like him as a character <_<
I really dislike him but a lot of people in the fandom like him for some reasonā¦
I donāt dislike Poe but like there hasnāt been much of him so I donāt really get why everyone loves him so much.
And everyoneās o b s e s s e d with Fyodor I stg!
Like ye he looks cool and heās a cool rat but like heās nothing special. Maybe thereās something later in the manga Iām missing. But for now, heās just a basic anime villain with nothing too special about his motives so I dunno why heās loved so much.
Hey, thatās what this thread is supposed to be for! ^^
Re: Kunikida, Yosano, Kenji, Akutagawa&Atsushi
I see itās the other way around for you with seriousness and scheduling ;D Things Iām trying to escape from, youāre trying to run into.
Ahh, I also love long hair, ponytails and especially braids. Not just for anime bois, for everyone and outside of fiction too But anime allows for hairstyles which would be really unpractical and uncomfortable in real life, so thatās nice.
Yosano I also like, usually with anime, males are more often cut to my tastes, and the majority of girls I perceive as too cute, but Yosano is perfect.
Kenji is very sweet and good-natured, but too oblivious for me. And Iām not sure he needs protection, considering his insane strength
As for Akutagawa and Atsushi, normally I would argue that the difference in their character would make development of matters different, but itās dangerous to make such claims when Beast exists and may easily prove me wrong.
But Akutagawa isnāt only ruthless, heās also so chaotic with his actions. Even within Mafia, there are more organized and competent characters. Heās just a ball of anger and while he hunts the sense of accomplishment, he compromises his tasks with being too impatient and messy with his actions.
Meanwhile Atsushi may have decided to steal for food, but the whole opening of the series shown us that he wasnāt doing too good with that.
But I guess I should wait until Iāve read Beast, because why guess āwhat-ifā if that āwhat-ifā has already been written.
Out of curiosity, what is your reading speed? I wonder how quickly Iāll be able to read your impressions.
Omg same tho Kunikidaās hair has a kink in it and his ponytail goes like ć³ shaped around his back. And I want a fanart of his hair doing the same thing when itās downā¦
Same. I think itās generally because anime girls tend to have limited types of personalities and theyāre not generally the type that I like. However in this show the characters have more depth and donāt exist just to be damsels in distress or love interests, so I really like them.
Kyoka, while a love interest (And the original author she was based off was a male so she was turned into a woman just for this reason, I assumeā¦
Even though this is the case she tends to be the one in charge of their non-existent relationship Like in Dead Apple (SPOILERRSSSS) Atsushi is the one hiding and Kyoka is the one dragging him around saving him. Which is a nice change of pace from the usually animeā¦
Iāll protect him anyway
I donāt really like children or the idea of having any but the minute someone younger than me does anything slightly cute I just
attach and boom they are my child now I will protect you so much as look at them wrong and you lose your eyes
I love Kenjiās design too bc FRECKLES
Yeah heās definitely impulsiveā¦
I think Atsushi is too, though. Thatās the reason he gets hurt so much in fights, because he just charges without a plan. And thatās the reason he ended up saving Kyoka despite having basically 0% chance of being able to save her.
Itās definitely a bad character trait though, I just think itās something they both share.
I do like the fact they each have a ālittle bitā of each otherās look though.
Like Atsushi has a black stripe through his hair, and Akutagawa has white at the end of his hair. And while Akutagawa has both ends of his hair
hang down at the front, while for Atsushi only one side hangs down.
Their clothes contrast each other as well. Theyāre kind of like Yin and Yang yet so similar
~End of me ranting about things everyone already knows but I find interesting~
And yeah, spoilers again for BEAST but Atsushi Is in the Port Mafia instead of Akutagawa. And it shows that if he needed to in order to survive he can become a bad person. While heās much more guilty and less muderous than Akutagawa he still does what needs to be done.
ermmmmmmmm
Not the best if Iām honest With Wan I read about a chapter or two a day and it usually takes me about 15 minutesā¦
For actual books I can get through them in Japanese fairly quickly unless I take my time to make notes for all unknown words. So Iāll probably be done reading it in a few months after it arrives, maybe less depending on my motivation/free time lol.
SPOILERS AGAINNNNNN
I think I read somewhere that originally Mori had Elise as a 16-17 yo but lost someone and started materializing her as the younger girl in her place or something? I have no idea if thatās true that could be completely made up. But either way imo itās still weird.
He is a really good leader Iāll give him that I think I prefer Fukuzawa bc he has a soft spot for cats and childrens which I think is sweetā¦ Mori has a soft spot for children too but maybe not in the right way-Iāllstop
Honestly I hope they flesh Fukuzawa out more, I want a origin story of him meeting Ranpo and discovering his gift so bad, watching them together is so cute Ranpo really acts like a small child around him lmao.
Iāll be 100000000% honest. Itās fanfiction that has given me this conclusion.
I read a lot of fanfiction no Iām not ashamed, and a looot of people really like Fyodor and shipping themselves with him I dunno man heās cool and his hat is kinda nice but thatās about all heās got going for him really.
Yeah I was disappointed they didnāt give too much attention to Steinbeck and Lovecraft. I guess the story of BSD is focused more on the authors trying to find their way in life, like Dazai and Atsushi and whatnot, so Lovecraft writing just a bunch of monster stories wasnāt exactly something they wanted to focus on, but I wish he had a little more screentimeā¦
I agree they probably shouldāve introduced a lot of the characters moreā¦slower. And not all at once, LOL.
Like for the ADA, Atsushi goes and learns about each character one at a time. He meets Dazai adn Kunikida, later Tanizaki, has an episode where he hangs out with Kenji, Yosano, etc. etc. So you get time to know them. But for example with the guild theyāre just like āYe this is themā and then they throw in more groups like
āYep these people tooā
āBut who are the-ā
āAnd this one.ā
ābu-ā
āNow theyāre fighting :Dā
āWowokay:Dā
Just a mention that Iām reading your Beast spoilers for now, as theyāre just more or less just a premise, but Iāll probably stop later when youāll actually start reading the book.
I mean, itās not like my speed is that great, Iām mostly making up for it by putting in a lot of time. And a few months mean Iāll actually be able to catch up, probably
But itās interesting, because 1 chapter of Wan! takes me way more, especially the dense ones. Maybe up to an hour. But at the same time I can finish novel in ~2 weeks when reading a few hours a day. Maybe itās all thanks to Kindle. Customizable font, built-in dictionary - with built-in dictionary, reading novels may even sometimes be more relaxing than manga for me
Of course, it depends on the book, Iām still avoiding harder ones.
With Bungou Stray Dogs novels, until now Iāve finished å¤Ŗå®°ćäøä¹ćåäŗę³ (I love the simplicity of this title). Itās what was used for first 3 episodes of season 3 in the anime.
There are some changes - for the first 3/4 of the plot, itās mostly that in novel there are some extra descriptions or maybe a few more lines of dialogue. With my Chuuya fanaticism, it was making me happy anyway. But then the ending is completely remade in anime, and while the result of the battle is the same, the fight itself is different. The novel version also made me [anime/novel spoilers - mastermind name] like Randou, who I didnāt like after the anime. I think his motives are much more better explained in the book, and while of course I still donāt agree with his plan, at least I understand him. The ending in the novel is also longer and more expanded.
My general goal for 2021 is 18 novels, 5 or 6 of which would be BSD. 6th one would be direct sequel to å¤Ŗå®°ćäøä¹ćåäŗę³ - STORMBRINGER - and it was supposed to be out in 2020. I was ready to give up on it, but recently [anime/novel spoilers - again, mastermind name from the Fifteen] Asagiri Kafka twitted this about reading Rimbaud and Verlaine books, so it once again gave me hope for a release in the near future.
The ones Iām skipping for now are Dark Era and Dead Apple, because they were already adapted and while I want to check the changes some day, they arenāt my priority.
It was different with Fifteen, because Chuuya was the main focus.
And with Dead Apple, the movie is the original anyway and the light novel is an adaptation, and it wasnāt written by Kafka Asagiri.
Amazon also lists Scenario&Interview books as a part of the series, but itās of course a little stretch. I think these are scenarios for the stage playsā¦? Iām actually a little curious, but itās veeery low priority.
Wait, what. You mean like self-inserts of the authors?
Iām also totally fine with fanfiction, but self-inserts are a separate category for me
I agree, itās amazing how he makes an ushanka seem cool
I didnāt know Dead Apple wasnāt written by Kafka O: But also that somehow makes a lot of senseā¦
Basically I donāt really read self-inserts I more like the side of fanfiction that keeps to the fiction andā¦doesnāt involve me. LOL. But if you read fanfiction you see a lot of that especially for Fyodor and Mori
Itās going pretty good ^0^
I only have read the first chapter becauseā¦
Well.
To put it simply I have the attention span of a toddler. Now that Iām done with college I will probably spend more time actually finishing it and aim to be done in a couple months. (When I read, I take notes and learn every word I donāt know so this may be a bit of an unrealistic goal but Imma do it anyway
Did you read The Dazai+Chuuya @ 15 in Japanese? If so how difficult was it?
Honestly, because of the name and the fact most the other books were adaptedā¦I thought this was just the Moby Dick arc and never looked into it Now that Iām reading about it though now I wanna read it dang.
Also yes my boi is on the front cover so I must read He better be treated nice or I
Detailed history goes like this.
First, there was the movie.
According to English Wikipedia, the movie was developed in the campsite retreat (?) where the whole team went to work. I am quite sure I saw the whole team listed as creators of the story somewhere, but I canāt find it now :<. Now I can only find: Script : Kafka Asagiri, YÅji Enokido
This snippet of info, which is listing Asagiri + one other person as script writers.
So itās not like he wasnāt completely involved, my main point earlier was that the movie is the original form of this plot and that he didnāt write the light novel. But he did write the manga adaptation and at the very least helped with the script of the movie, he just wasnāt the sole author of it.
Geez, thatās complicated.
Itāsā¦ interesting that itās mostly these two
Btw, what was one best BSD fanfic that youāve read?
You mean done with college completely, not just for holidays? Because Iām not sure if I should be congratulating here. ^^"
Sure, sure, in Japanese. If it wasnāt in Japanese, I wouldnāt make such ambitious goal of reading 5-6 others next year.
It was fine. Challenging, but smooth. Mind you, with Kindle, the fact that BSD likes its old-fashioned/fancy alternatives of kanji doesnāt bother me too much. But Iām still a little afraid that Kunikidaās POV may be harder than narration in Fifteen, even aside of his diary. With Fifteen, the main challenge for me was the way Chuuya talks - all that manly rough casual Japanese .
Iāve consulted a friend 3 times, but these werenāt critical problems, just things I wanted to be sure about.
I also know that I have way better understanding and patience and attention span ( ) with stuff I get emotional about, so it may influence my perception of difficulty. For example, reading Kikiās Delivery Service was much more exhausting, because it completely didnāt click with me (but I really wanted to finish it anyway), and while people admit it is on the hard end of the Beginner Book Club, it is still considered beginner level. And I was reading å¤Ŗå®°ćäøä¹ćåäŗę³ 3x quicker than Kiki.
(Edit: I was reading Kiki over the span of the few months, with Repeat Book Club, Iām only comparing daily portions.)
Isnāt it always
I overall didnāt mind the movie although it wasnāt the best thing ever. It was ok but nothing groundbreaking or better than the original BSD storyline, I think.
Letās be honest itās probably thirsty 13 yos who are into murderous guysā¦
Omg thatās so hard LMAO
I read this really good one in Japanese, I really wish I could find it againā¦
Basically it was Kunikida interacting with Ranpo and being a softy. It was short but I really enjoyed it because the story is Kunikida trynna be serious and tough and then Ranpo is like ābut I want snacks ā and then heās like dang ok fine Iāll ruin my schedule.
There was also one with Kunikida and Dazai having a heart-to-heart after getting hella drunk. It handled Dazaiās tendency to commit suicide in a much darker tone which I really liked. Because even if he uses humour as a way to cope with it in the end he really is trying to kill himself, and the story was basically Kunikida going off while drunk about how much it genuinely concerns him. Itās good stuff man
So if I had to say my one favourite, itās probably that? It ended up being DazaixKunikida fanfiction but I kinda ship them so itās fine~
There was one story called Emotions which was a reader insert for Dazai. I donāt like reader inserts normally But I read it bc it was p good ngl. Basically the mc has the ability to suppress otherās emotions so Dazai uses her to try and cure his loneliness. Itās got an edgy ending, LMAO. I enjoyed it and as long as you just pretend youāre not the mc itās easy to enjoyā¦
You asked for one but I could not give, apparently
Yes Iām done done! \o/ Graduated and get my diploma for teaching English in the mail sometime soonā¦
Niiiiice Iāll definitely have to buy it and read it sometime, then.
And as a side note, have you ever listened to the character songs for BSD? I bought the album recently and I think so far my favourites are Chuuyaās, Kunikidaās, Dazaiās, and Tanizakiās. Dazaiās is low-key depressing and relatable and Chuuyaās just makes me want to get up and dance soā¦
Congratulations, then!
And good luck on a teacher path!
Well, I knew it it could end in a big pile of recommendations, so I was trying to restrict itā¦
These actually sounds good. You say you canāt find the Japanese one, but what about the 2nd and 3rd? Especially 2nd sounds interesting. I like the theme of drinking making people more open about their emotions.
Yes, Iāve listened to them. I like to listen to seiyuu signing in general. And I like songs related to a plot. (Thatās why my favorite genre of movies is a musical, but there are many cringy ones, unfortunately.)
And with Chuuyaās seiyuu, Iām also interested in his actual career as a musican (although sooo manyyy of his bandās songs actually became anime openings anyway ), so his character song is just another to the collection
And speaking of Kishou Taniyama. And Mamoru Miyano. And fanfiction. And depression.
My favorite fic ever is DazaixChuuya, but itās even more meta than BSD itself is.
Itās AU happening in our world, where both characters are musicians whose careers have some loose resemblances to their seiyuus careers. Not much, just like BSD characters only have a few traits of the real people. But songs are real, black nail polish for Taniyama is true, and there is even a reference to the stuff that happened in one entertainment program (the reference is explained under the chapter, I wouldnāt know such details myself )
Edit: Of course, characters personality/visuals are still mainly based on BSD, this is DazaixChuuya fanfic, not MiyanoxTaniyama xP
Itās starting as a comedy - premise is that Chuuya got drunk and confessed to Dazai on social media (but when heās sober, heās insisting he doesnāt like Dazai) and now there is a buzz all over the internet, so their PR people are forcing them to cooperate for at least some time to use the hype as a marketing tool.
But then itās gets darker and I think the parts about dealing with depression were very mature and well-written. I think what I loved most is that any changes for the better didnāt happen overnight or after one talk. It was a process, not always simply going forward.
Actually my only complaint is that author wanted Japanese characters put in America and sometimes it gets weird. I think it turned out they were even speaking to each other in English when being alone, because it was clearly mentioned when they changed to Japanese - ummm, why they were even speaking in English in the first place. xP And there are some small details about Japan that seemed not-enough-researched. But really, itās not the main dish here and this is very minor.
Oh yeah. I sometimes see opinions that jokes about suicide in BSD are insensitive. Butā¦ it is true that some people are covering their suicidal thoughts with acting as a clown. Hell. Even the protagonist of äŗŗéå¤±ę ¼ is doing exactly this.
I donāt think BSD jokes are supposed to be funny. I think they are supposed to be bitter.
And my opinion is that treating suicides as a taboo topic is doing more harm.
Maybe Iām giving Asagiri too much credit. And of course I realize these jokes may trigger some people and it could be useful to do a trigger warning when recommending the series to someone new.
I just donāt think itās so unrealistic behavior like some people assume.
Honestly I have no idea. LMAO. I think I remember what site I read it on at least. Iām gonna do some fanfiction surfing tonight so if I come across it Iāll let you know and post it here
I do too Itās a good way to be able to get characters outside of their normal bubble and can lead to someā¦ amusing scenarios
Oh big same. I looove all the seiyuu songs from Hetalia.
Also, I too love Chuuyaās music in general. (Well his seiyuuā¦too lazy to look up his name. Only names i know off the top of my head are Mamoru Miyano and Uemura Yuuto.
I really admire Chuuyaās vibrato in his voice tbhā¦
I love singing but I have a hard time making vibrato happen. I guess my voice is veryā¦smooth? If that makes sense So sometimes I sing his songs to try and practice controlling that.
Already peaked my interest
Ohhh thank you thank you that sounds amazing I will give it a read
So this is kinda long and overly personal. But thatās how I roll, soā¦
As someone who has been very suicidal in the past, I can agree that itās not unrealistic behavior. Joking about suicide and wanting to die is common with people who are depressed but arenāt open about revealing how they feel.
For me I feel like I understand Dazaiās character a lot. Well not just in the anime, but his real life counterpart as well.
Thereās this quote from his book No Longer Human.
āI have always shook with fright before human beings. Unable as I was to feel the least particle of confidence in my ability to speak and act like a human being, I kept my solitary agonies locked in my breast. I kept my melancholy and my agitation hidden, careful lest any trace should be left exposed. I feigned an innocent optimism; I gradually perfected myself in the role of the farcical eccentric.ā
And I think that describes Dazaiās personality perfectly, and also is something I relate to.
So I agree that itās not offensive, and that Asagiri deserves the credit for honestly perfecting how Osamu Dazai described himself in No Longer Human.
I relate to that man so much I needa go back in time and give him a hug
And I have a MAJOR spoiler below in the summary from what I read
Summary
Beast is honestly really depressing. I hope the Dazai in the original Universe does not receive the same fate that this worldās Dazai does. (That fate being, a successful attempt at ending his life.)
Reading it almost made me cry, and I havenāt even read the actual book yet I just read the end for spoilers cāmon
But if you wonāt find it, itās okay too!~ Just let me know if youāll find something especially interesting in the future.
And now Iām starting to get nervous and second-guessing my taste. But I still want to know your true opinion!
Ahh, I wish I could sing at all. Mostly I love singing while drunk, but everyone tells me that my singing is unbearable. I even searched for some hints online, but to no avail
Itās relieving to have my opinion about this validated
I was also suicidal in the past, but I had different defense mechanisms, so itās precious for me to hear an opinion from somebody for whom it is even more relatable.
And Iām thankful to you for being personal, because like I mentioned before, Iām into untabooing things. ^^
Great!
Hmmm, thatās interesting. That would mean that either my earlier theory about Kunikidaās POV being harder is right or that later light novels are easier in general - maybe due to the readersā feedback?
Does that mean youāll be reading BEAST first? Because even if Iām considering catching up to you, I need to know which book to focus on
Iām honestly curious what can be so major so early, but Iāll guess Iāll uncover it when Iāll get to that.
Mmmā¦ maybe you could provide chapter number and/or page number (for the later comments too), so Iāll be able to know if Iām ready to check that particular spoiler?
Even if Iām on ebook, itās easy to figure out the approximate page, by using % and the total page numbers.
(But not easy with novels book clubs, where the precise number is required.)
Oh donāt worry. I am extremely easily amused, itās hard for me to not like something
I get told Iām a good singer but I think Iām just average lol. I can hit notes but my vocal range isnāt that good and my voice is too quiet~
Saame.
People shouldnāt need to hold back if they want to talk about such things, I feel.
Yeah Iāll probably read Beast first. Just because itās easier, but itās also new. Since Kunikidaās book was already put in the anime itās nothing new for me.
Oh itās a spoiler for the very end of the book. LMAO.
I tend to read the last few pages before I read the rest of the book, a very bad habit of mine
Iām trying to refrain from buying anything now. The only thing I still have in shipping is a plush Chuuya, because the release got delayed (was supposed to be out in November).
)
ANd now I want plushies dang!!
I also appreciate most of his āidealsā and how dedicated he is. I relate to him on a big level in that sense because I too am trying to keep to a schedule and be very serious about life (Although I donāt do it early as well as him because I have no self controlā¦ ;-;
And his shirt demon is kinda cute ngl looks kinda ć¢ćć¢ć I would love to pet it.
I donāt really read self-inserts I more like the side of fanfiction that keeps to the fiction andā¦doesnāt involve me. LOL. But if you read fanfiction you see a lot of that especially for Fyodor and Mori 
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ā and then heās like dang ok fine Iāll ruin my schedule.
Iāll definitely have to buy it and read it sometime, then.
Itās a good way to be able to get characters outside of their normal bubble and can lead to someā¦ amusing scenarios
Much earlier than they were supposed toā¦but good!
