Eu sou de sp capital. Vou fazer o N5 agora em Julho e o N4 no fim do ano? Vc vai fazer por aí ou vem pra sp? Orações pra RS, tá tudo bem com vc e família?
Hi,
I concur with most of the comments.
I’m only at level 7 but I’m having a lot of fun. I see no point in time where I will burn out, because it’s become something I ‘just do’, but only because it’s not a burden. There’s no pressure except that which I create for myself.
I began by doing many lessons daily, and steamed through the first 5 levels but realised very quickly when kanji I though I knew were floating away…the best approach was to slow right down, and embrace my many mistakes as being a good thing - repetition is after all, the mother of skill - and the whole point of WK.
I also realised when I began looking at ‘trying’ to read things that even despite my lack of kanji knowledge, there is a great deal of ‘other stuff’ one needs to begin to comprehend sentences - and my ability to ‘see’ Japanese is vastly different to my ability to hear it.
So anyway, I branched out to other apps to try to get my head around all those pesky strings of hiragana that are ‘grammar’, as well as to listen, and try to enunciate (very slowly and badly) what I read (I get terribly tongue tied).
I began to notice things like how the particle is usually ‘joined’ to the clause before it when spoken, as well as the fact there are (like in English) lots of ways to nuance a sentence.
Things like how one uses different words or structures depending on whether one is the speaker or listener, near or far from an object or subject, and if something is living or non-living, mobile or not mobile.
I now share my time with WaniKani, Kanshudo, FluentU, JapanesePod and the odd google search to get this broader picture. They all have strengths & together have greatly expanded my understanding of the language and funnily enough, my ability to absorb new kanji and vocab on WK.
I have only just begun to be able to absorb Japanese grammar, after many months of exploring and taking small bites of bits and pieces. Part of that journey has been learning about English grammar constructs. After enough revisits to various pages stuff seemed to just begin to take.
It is making my WK experience so much more rewarding, and in fact is really incentivising me to progress on WK so I can recognise more kanji in the other apps (particularly Kanshudo).
So in short, I have reduced to a lesson Q of five and I don’t do new lessons every day, only when I feel I can digest more. I do reviews daily as a rule, except on my weekends (It’s a diet not an eating contest), and only take on new material when I can keep my score consistently over 90%.
As a result I am generally finding that when I see a kanji, even one I haven’t seen for a while, my recall is pretty automatic, which I guess is the aim.
Of course I don’t have that many to recall as yet but I feel confident that WK will see me to the end and even beyond.
Thanks so much to the dedicated team WK, I love your work!
Angie
Great analogy
I’m interested to see your approach seems very similar to mine with regards to unlocking half the kanji and then learning the vocab. I’m also relying heavily on the lesson picker.
My new approach which i’ve started today…lol…is to do wanikani for 2 hours a day, strictly, and ignore how many reviews i have, how many lessons i have etc. Anyone else doing this sort of approach?
I guess the biggest mistake you can make in wanikani is doing it for the sake of levelling up, instead of actually learning.
for the first 6 levels I think I was doing all the lessons, then when the huge pile of reviews started stacking up, I asked for advice here and I was told about the apprentice number to be considered as well.
It looks like Kanshudo has a complete system for learning kanji, can you share specifics on what made you still opt to do WaniKani?
My biggest mistake with WK was to ignore the unlocking mechanism at the beginning. That created either huge piles of vocabulary upon levelling up, or caused the number of lessons to run out in the middle of the level. Unlike the OP, I have no urge to study every item when they become available.
I quickly realized what my limitations were and built my routine accordingly. I limit the batch size and number of kanjis per batch. I also choose what I learn and how. For example I do not spend efforts to learn the reading of individual kanjis, which is also the approach taken by Kanshudo… hence my question above!
You could do what I did and race to 60 first, then reset and do a marathon too.
(With the benefit of hindsight, I don’t actually recommend the race part. Or rather, for new learners, I’d recommend racing up to level 18 so you get the basics ASAP, do up to 32 at a moderate pace while beginning to read elsewhere, and do the high levels at your leisure.)
Even if you do race through the high levels early like I did, you won’t actually remember much, so there’s no real point. The high level kanji are the kind of thing you might see every once in a while in the wild when reading.
I guess I’d actually take that race challenge just for the sake of it, knowing that nothing would really stick and I’d have to do it again… if I had nothing else to do in my work and free time.
Hi durteloni,
Firstly I have several subscriptions already and can’t afford to pay for Kanshudo at this time, which limits me to a handful of kanji, but mostly, I find the SRS of WK much better. It helps me to focus just on kanji, and my retention is much better there. I don’t feel pressured to learn every reading and four vocab meanings at once for every kanji. WK makes it progressive. WK mnemonics are fun and if they don’t work for me I invent one of my own.
Kanshudo is not the easiest interface to use, at least not on a mobile phone, and I haven’t found the review system on it very user friendly - or reliable as I’ve often had reviews pending one day, only to refresh the page and find none. Plus the reviews include everything, not just kanji - and perhaps there’s a way to remedy that as a premium subscriber- but even if there is I can’t imagine finding out how to do that will be simple. I don’t want to have to spend too much time learning how to use the app… because I could have learned another ten or twenty kanji by then.
If I don’t have time to complete a set (I travel as a passenger for my job and do them enroute to jobs), the Kanshudo system doesn’t seem to handle this very well, but WK picks up where I left off.
I do however really like the quizzes and games and the ability to ‘follow my nose’ on Kanshudo and I have learned a lot there as a simple registered user.
As for FluentU my only complaint is that kanji are not used by default in the example sentences and quizzes. It would greatly enhance my reading capabilities if they used kanji with furigana rather than hiragana by default, as happens with Kanshudo.
Thanks for you interest in my viewpoint though.
Kindest regards,
Angie
Outstanding answer @Angie07 ! This forum, more accurately its users, is a gem.
Now I have a thorough understanding of what drove your decision.
To keep this thread on topic for future users ( that ties in with the discussion about alternatives and their shortcomings vs WK) : another of my biggest mistakes using WK is not making enough use of the content customisation, especially as a non-native English speaker.